[bisco]

I think you’re right:

 

[liresong]

I think you’re right:

Chevy copies Twister.......the Suck Zone!

 

[BobBolt]

With the Premier trim you get ventilated seats, which may seem unimportant to you until you've actually used them.

Or if you have a wife that won't drive anything leather that isn't ventilated.....the MY and the ID.4 were almost neck and neck until she did the test drive.

 

[bisco]

maybe chevy wired them all backward

 

[SittingDuck]

Or if you have a wife that won't drive anything leather that isn't ventilated.

Until we got our EV 2LT, we'd always gone for a base model without any add-ons, whether buying new or used. The 2LT was all that was available, and it was such a deal we decided what the heck. After the first winter in the Bolt, my wife has declared that we will never again buy a car without heated seats and heated steering wheel.

I don't get to drive the Bolt much, but my won't-do-without is the overhead camera view... for my wife. I haven't had to replace any side moulding on the garage entrance since we bought the Bolt ;-)

 

[atc98092]

After the first winter in the Bolt, my wife has declared that we will never again buy a car without heated seats and heated steering wheel.

I completely agree with your wife. Just be aware that not all heated steering wheels are the same. My '18 Outback had a heated wheel (my first) but I didn't discover until after I bought it that the wheel isn't heated all the way around. The upper third was unheated, and even though you shouldn't place your hands on that section because of the airbag, it was still enough that my thumbs on both sides would still extend into the unheated area. My '19 Niro was the first car I owned with a fully heated wheel, and it's something I can't do without.

 

[SpicyBolt]

I completely agree with your wife. Just be aware that not all heated steering wheels are the same.

Not all EUV heated steering wheels are the same. If the EUV is equipped with Super Cruise, the steering wheel can not be remote start heated. It only warms up after the Power button is pushed in the car. I'm sure it has something to do with the light bar embedded in the steering wheel for Super Cruise.

The owners manual doesn't specifically make the point about the steering wheel not remote start heating if the vehicle has Super Cruise. It does make the distinction between a "heated steering wheel", and a "remote start heated steering wheel" though.

 

[S.A.]

So we are looking to purchase a used Bolt. Trying to decide between a 2022 Bolt EUV Premier with 21,000 miles and a 2023 Bolt 2Lt with about 13,000 miles. The EUV is about $1,500 more. Both are Chevy certified used cars and come with an extra 12/mo 12,000 miles to the 36/36 bumper to number warranty. They are both in excellent condition. While $1,500 is something to ignore, we both thought the 2LT seemed a little more “tinny” or that we felt the bumps a bit more—since there were a few days between test drives hard to say whether that feeling was subjective or not.

So is the EUV a more substantial car than the 2LT? Would its residual value hold better since it has a more traditional SUV look? This would a 2nd EV (we have a 2024 Kia EV6) and would be used mostly for short commutes to my part-time job

opinions welcome

Here's way more than you want to know.....


I bought a 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV Premier — all the bells and whistles — with 39,000 miles on it. Admittedly, the mileage was higher than I’d originally hoped for, but the price made it worth it. I’ve had it since Martin Luther King Jr. Day, and honestly, I love it.


After taxes, licensing, and applying the federal EV tax credit, it came to $17,000 out the door. It’s at the tail end of the warranty, which is a downside, but Chevy offers a 10-year battery warranty — and frankly, Hyundai's longer overall warranty still doesn’t beat the price I paid.


I ended up taking the train down to Salem, Oregon from Seattle to buy it. Washington State waives sales tax on the first $16,000 of an EV purchase, which saved me another $2,500. The dealership was asking $21,000, but I qualified for the $4,000 point-of-sale rebate, and with all those savings combined, I landed at $17,000 — about $3,500 to $5,000 less than anything I could find locally in WA.


So far, it’s been a dream. I’ve driven it to Vancouver twice, visit Bellingham monthly, and head out to the Olympic Peninsula regularly. I installed a Level 2 charger at home (with an app!), and my monthly “fuel” bill has been between $25 and $35, with only occasional public charging. Going up into the mountains definitely drains the battery more quickly, but finding chargers hasn’t been a problem.


I did look at a Hertz model in sky blue — lower mileage (25,000) but $4,000 more. I went with the more affordable option and now drive what I lovingly refer to as a violently blue car.


I’ll admit I was borderline obsessed with finding the best deal — money’s tight, and this was a big leap for me. Along the way, about a million young men tried to convince me to buy a Tesla “because the market’s flooded.” I told them I’d rather walk the rest of my life.

On a side note: If anybody is still reading, I'm wondering if I need new tires before winter. And if so I've been seeing advertisements for "ev tires" what the **** are they?

Thank you for attending my TED talk

 

[atc98092]

And if so I've been seeing advertisements for "ev tires" what the **** are they?

They are likely referring to Low Rolling Resistance (LRR) tires, which will offer slightly better range. But LRR tires sometimes come with compromises such as lower tread life, and lower traction in wet conditions.

 

[CJIMI]

I have a 2023 EV 2T, and I love it. As others have noted, the EUV is all steel - the EV has aluminum doors, hood, and hatch. That also means that the EV is lighter than the EUV, and has a slightly longer range, 259 miles vs. 238, I believe. Given that even 259 miles on a full charge is still marginal; I would opt for the EV.

 

[ncmike]

So we are looking to purchase a used Bolt. Trying to decide between a 2022 Bolt EUV Premier with 21,000 miles and a 2023 Bolt 2Lt with about 13,000 miles. The EUV is about $1,500 more. Both are Chevy certified used cars and come with an extra 12/mo 12,000 miles to the 36/36 bumper to number warranty. They are both in excellent condition. While $1,500 is something to ignore, we both thought the 2LT seemed a little more “tinny” or that we felt the bumps a bit more—since there were a few days between test drives hard to say whether that feeling was subjective or not.

So is the EUV a more substantial car than the 2LT? Would its residual value hold better since it has a more traditional SUV look? This would a 2nd EV (we have a 2024 Kia EV6) and would be used mostly for short commutes to my part-time job

opinions welcome

Greetings,

I’ve had both - trust me that your rear passengers will appreciate the extra legroom in the EUV.

 

[Jfree]

Thanks everyone. All your comments were appreciated. We’ve decided to go with the 2022 EUV picking it up on June 18.

 

[ClarDold]

Both seats work the same way. Anyone else with an EUV with ventilated seats, turn them on and take a light piece of paper like a receipt and see if it sticks to the backrest. The seat bottom is the same too. The receipt gets sucked to it, it doesn't blow up. And they do provide noticeable ventilation for us. I was actually surprised to discover they didn't blow.

Passenger seat:
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Driver's seat:
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PS: I'm working on ducting the seat bottoms to the outside. Fart Extraction Mode.

A piece of tissue paper sticks to the back.
I can't tell about the seat.
But it makes sense that it would suck air down. You wouldn't want to blow dust from under the seat up into the driver's crotch face.

I tried moving the tissue around under the seat, but it looks like there is a substantial opening for the air intake, and I couldn't detect any movement.

I was thinking about a smoke test, but I have no desire to introduce any smoke.

 

[SpicyBolt]

A piece of tissue paper sticks to the back.
I can't tell about the seat.
But it makes sense that it would suck air down. You wouldn't want to blow dust from under the seat up into the driver's crotch face.

I tried moving the tissue around under the seat, but it looks like there is a substantial opening for the air intake, and I couldn't detect any movement.

I was thinking about a smoke test, but I have no desire to introduce any smoke.

Apparently according to AI, some suck, and some blow. The better ones blow cold air directly from the HVAC ducts.

Using a receipt, I can tell it's getting sucked against the seat. It's just not very strong suction even on the highest setting. The ventilated seats in the Bolt do the job though, but apparently some other cars do it better. These are the only ventilated seats I've ever used in my life.

 

[GregBrew]

Here's way more than you want to know.....


I bought a 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV Premier — all the bells and whistles — with 39,000 miles on it. Admittedly, the mileage was higher than I’d originally hoped for, but the price made it worth it. I’ve had it since Martin Luther King Jr. Day, and honestly, I love it.


After taxes, licensing, and applying the federal EV tax credit, it came to $17,000 out the door. It’s at the tail end of the warranty, which is a downside, but Chevy offers a 10-year battery warranty — and frankly, Hyundai's longer overall warranty still doesn’t beat the price I paid.


I ended up taking the train down to Salem, Oregon from Seattle to buy it. Washington State waives sales tax on the first $16,000 of an EV purchase, which saved me another $2,500. The dealership was asking $21,000, but I qualified for the $4,000 point-of-sale rebate, and with all those savings combined, I landed at $17,000 — about $3,500 to $5,000 less than anything I could find locally in WA.


So far, it’s been a dream. I’ve driven it to Vancouver twice, visit Bellingham monthly, and head out to the Olympic Peninsula regularly. I installed a Level 2 charger at home (with an app!), and my monthly “fuel” bill has been between $25 and $35, with only occasional public charging. Going up into the mountains definitely drains the battery more quickly, but finding chargers hasn’t been a problem.


I did look at a Hertz model in sky blue — lower mileage (25,000) but $4,000 more. I went with the more affordable option and now drive what I lovingly refer to as a violently blue car.


I’ll admit I was borderline obsessed with finding the best deal — money’s tight, and this was a big leap for me. Along the way, about a million young men tried to convince me to buy a Tesla “because the market’s flooded.” I told them I’d rather walk the rest of my life.

On a side note: If anybody is still reading, I'm wondering if I need new tires before winter. And if so I've been seeing advertisements for "ev tires" what the **** are they?

Thank you for attending my TED talk

"Washington State waives sales tax on the first $16,000 of an EV purchase, which saved me another $2,500."

Washington State sales tax is 15.6%?!?

 

[atc98092]

Washington State sales tax is 15.6%?!?

It gets close, but it’s not that high anywhere to my knowledge. I’m in King County, and we’re very close to 11% I believe. I don’t think any county is higher than that.

 

[BehindBars]

For me it would be the EUV. With the Premier trim you get ventilated seats, which may seem unimportant to you until you've actually used them. I preferred the EUV over the EV, both for style and interior space, but that's a personal choice.

Are ventilated seats mainly desired or required when you get artificle leather seats? We’ve had cloth seats in every vehicle for many decades, and always found them very comfortable. Recently, I used a loaner Trail Blazer with artificial or real leather seats from a dealer, and on a long drive my clothes got sweaty and were sticking to the seats. They didn’t have ventilation. But on the return trip that same day with my Equinox EV non-ventilated cloth seats, I had no comfort issues.

 

[SpicyBolt]

Are ventilated seats mainly desired or required when you get artificle leather seats? We’ve had cloth seats in every vehicle for many decades, and alway found them very comfortable. Recently, I used a loaner Trail Blazer with artificial leather seats from a dealer, and on a long drive my clothes got sweaty and were sticking to the seats. They didn’t have ventilation. But on the return trip that same day with my Equinox EV non-ventilated cloth seats, I had no comfort issues.

That's a good point. I'm old enough to remember how sweaty and sticky I got on vinyl seats. I don't think I've ever spent much time on artificial leather seats though. The Bolts are real leather on the seating and back surface. Both of ours have the leather, and both have the little perforations even though only our EUV is ventilated. I've only had my little 2022 Bolt since November and will see how the sweat factor goes this summer.

Our first Bolt had cloth seats and I don't recall feeling sweaty on those seats. We'd still be happily driving that little Cayenne Orange Metallic 2021 Bolt EV LT today if not for the battery recall related trade repurchase.

 

[BehindBars]

That's a good point. I'm old enough to remember how sweaty and sticky I got on vinyl seats. I don't think I've ever spent much time on artificial leather seats though. The Bolts are real leather on the seating and back surface. Both of ours have the leather, and both have the little perforations even though only our EUV is ventilated. I've only had my little 2022 Bolt since November and will see how the sweat factor goes this summer.

Our first Bolt had cloth seats and I don't recall feeling sweaty on those seats. We'd still be happily driving that little Cayenne Orange Metallic 2021 Bolt EV LT today if not for the battery recall related trade repurchase.

Yeah, I’m sold on cloth seats. I‘m glad cloth are the standard seats, and the leather/ fake leather seats are the ones that cost extra.

 

[SpicyBolt]

Yeah, I’m sold on cloth seats. I‘m glad cloth are the standard seats, and the leather/ fake leather seats are the ones that cost extra.

We would have been perfectly happy with an equivalent new Bolt EV LT with cloth seats in our trade repurchase. It was based on MSRPs though, and not the ~$25k we paid. By the 2023 MY the MSRPs had dropped a great deal. So, GM "insisted" on giving us a loaded EUV Premier with ventilated leather seats as a replacement. We thought it would be rude to refuse their offer.