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Then you haven't rented many cars. I traveled the US and internationally for many years and most every time left off the rental car several states away and sometimes a different country.

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When I rented before, they do ask if I am going out of state. This is many years (like decades) ago. Maybe they ask more questions in the west coast.
 

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I've never been asked if I'm going out of state when renting a vehicle. Unlimited miles seems standard to me, but then again I only rent with the same 2 companies.

Regarding the 5000 mile trip that made a rental company upset about overdue oil changes; it doesn't matter in the least. Those easy freeway miles aren't going to wear out the oil or harm the engine. I've gone 14k between changes on my Prius, and the oil analysis always says I could run it further. Besides, rental companies only hang on to a vehicle for a couple years and then find some poor sucker to buy them down the road.
 

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I've never been asked if I'm going out of state when renting a vehicle. Unlimited miles seems standard to me, but then again I only rent with the same 2 companies.

Regarding the 5000 mile trip that made a rental company upset about overdue oil changes; it doesn't matter in the least. Those easy freeway miles aren't going to wear out the oil or harm the engine. I've gone 14k between changes on my Prius, and the oil analysis always says I could run it further. Besides, rental companies only hang on to a vehicle for a couple years and then find some poor sucker to buy them down the road.
I think it's standard practice to deduct 10 cents a mile, so that rental cost them $500 in resale value.
 

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I think it's standard practice to deduct 10 cents a mile, so that rental cost them $500 in resale value.
Right, the real cost is in depreciation. The part about oil changes being missed is the nonsense I'm disagreeing with.

Unlimited means unlimited though. If they want to place limits on the terms of the rental, they should have done so. If I'm ever asked to leave a buffet, I'll do so without paying.
 

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when buying an EV its best to wait as long as reasonable, drive what is available to purchase and make a decision. There is always something interesting coming soon. That said the VW wagon has my full attention
I’m actually waiting on their van too.
 

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You mean this one? :)

 

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I live and drive in the west. But even out here, we can't ignore the data. That a few outliers choose to make longer trips does not change the fact that 99.9% of US daily personal vehicle use is less than 240 miles.

Yes, it's human nature to want it all and a lot of it, but life's about tradeoffs. Mark Donohue, when asked if 1,000 horsepower was too much, he answered, "Too much horsepower is when it's still getting wheelspin at the end of the longest straight." I've owned too many very high performance cars to count and never had one with too much horsepower. However, for the vast majority of US daily use, I seldom find the room to fully extend the Bolt; it has more than enough power and more than enough range. Your opinions and results may differ, but that's just you and me, not the entire car buying universe.

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No one is talking about daily driving--as if anyone has a 240+ mile commute. I guess weekend excursions are a California thing. I'm glad I don't live somewhere where there is no place desirable to drive to within a120+ mile radius. I guess most of the population does end up in the metaphor of New Jersey after driving for two hours. ;)
 

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The car market is changing faster than any time in my life, and my first car was a 1970 Cutlass Convertible in 1976... The Mustang, having AWD for me in Northern New Jersey, looks very attractive. So does the larger battery pack. I believe that in 3 years, 300-350 miles will be the middle range for EVs, and we will have a few that are higher. Most importantly, we should see fast charge stations at every gas station or fast food restaurant or strip mall. I'm hoping we can keep our 2017 Bolt long enough to see the market shift.
 

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Ford appears to be all in on the Mustang EV: I would still wait for 2nd or 3rd year, since it is sold out for the first year already. Wouldn't pay a premium in a category where prices will be falling due to declining battery costs and increased competition
 

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Rather than start a new thread for yet another mid-sized electric SUV, here are the first clear shots of another Model Y wannabe.


I will state right now that this, and all others in this class, will fall short of the Tesla Model Y on sales, delivery, performance, efficiency, and charging infrastructure.
 

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I know there are many trains of though for car buyers. I intend to keep my Bolt for a very long time. To me these mid-sized SUVs are not all that different from my Bolt though. I'll grant that they are longer, but some of that is due to maintaining the look of an ICE engine compartment (looking more like a shoe). I am able to haul a ridiculous number of things (like 1cy of bagged {dry} mulch), 8 foot lumber (granted without passenger), even a 30 gal tree. So I will clearly want to get another mini-SUV, but I already think that I have one (just looks like an econo-hatch) that works perfectly well. (Ok, Chevy could have made the suspension a little less "responsive").
 

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I know there are many trains of though for car buyers. I intend to keep my Bolt for a very long time. To me these mid-sized SUVs are not all that different from my Bolt though. I'll grant that they are longer, but some of that is due to maintaining the look of an ICE engine compartment (looking more like a shoe). I am able to haul a ridiculous number of things (like 1cy of bagged {dry} mulch), 8 foot lumber (granted without passenger), even a 30 gal tree. So I will clearly want to get another mini-SUV, but I already think that I have one (just looks like an econo-hatch) that works perfectly well. (Ok, Chevy could have made the suspension a little less "responsive").
Yes. I love our Bolt. There is not a single EV now, or in the near term, that I would prefer. What I regret is that I probably won't live to see a Tesla version of the Bolt.
 

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So I will clearly want to get another mini-SUV, but I already think that I have one...
My thoughts exactly. It's very hard for me to imagine a new EV that would somehow make me want to upgrade because my Bolt does everything I want it to. It would be nice to have more range, but it's way more than adequate for city use and it's worked well enough for me on a several multi-day trips that I'm not inclined to take the cost hit of upgrading until I've wrung as much as I can out of the car.

The reason that I bought the Bolt in 2017 is that it represented a new plateau in EV price/performance over the previous generation (such as the original Leaf). Nothing that's come out since has really moved the dial like that. I expect to get at least 10 years out of my Bolt, and hopefully 15 or more. By then I expect that there will be more compelling EVs out there.
 

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Rather than start a new thread for yet another mid-sized electric SUV, here are the first clear shots of another Model Y wannabe.


I will state right now that this, and all others in this class, will fall short of the Tesla Model Y on sales, delivery, performance, efficiency, and charging infrastructure.
Explains GM's quick rebate on the 2020 Bolt. I just looked at the local offer and I could have saved $2K by buying a 2020 now vs 2019 in Sept. :(

Well, the good news is that I had so much fun in the almost 5 months of ownership, it may have been worth the $2K. :)
 

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Rather than start a new thread for yet another mid-sized electric SUV, here are the first clear shots of another Model Y wannabe.


I will state right now that this, and all others in this class, will fall short of the Tesla Model Y on sales, delivery, performance, efficiency, and charging infrastructure.
Agreed, the Model Y should be a great vehicle- especially since 90% (iirc) of it is built using Model 3 components that have already proven themselves reliable.

Tesla has a proven track record with EV's, Chevy has a proven track record with the Volt and Bolt... VW and Ford?
 

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I have a 17 Bolt LT and I am seriously considering trading for a Mach E maybe in its second model year like a 2021 or 2022 model. I really like my Bolt but it'd be nice to have a little bit more cargo width and nicer interior. AWD would be a bonus as well.
 

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Unlikely given that I didn't really care about it. I saw it at CES and it looked unattractive to me, so it's likely pushed further into no. Besides, my Bolt serves me just fine right now.
 
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