[Voldar]

I don't know if Tesla's GOM is a fair comparison to Bolt's GOM. Seems like Tesla's "GOM" is more like something like ABRP. Maybe GM should buy the ABRP company and put the technology in the Bolt and augment Bolt's GOM with ABRP route condition information.

Tesla GOM, as presented in the link I put above, sucks. Drive your Tesla without a destination input and you’ll see what I mean. You are lost.

The trip estimator that’s integrated in the Tesla is also present in the MyChevrolet app (OnStar : property of GM), under the name of the Energy module. Which is CarPlay integrated and can be used in the Infotainment of the Bolt EV. It does need a monthly fee to use it, the same as ABRP if you want to use real-time data of your car.

Posted this some time ago.

 

[finch4ever]

Switch to "Classic" layout and be done with it.
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Dude you nailed it

 

[kendallg]

It's a given that many of us on this Bolt forum, are Bolt fans. That's at least part of the point of this forum.

Personally, I thought it would be a safe place where I didn't think my choice of car would be challenged so much, primarily by Tesla fans. I'm certainly not on any Tesla (or any other car specific) forum, talking up my Bolt, and trashing Tesla. I leave them be.

I'm on this forum because I spent 5 years driving a Bolt. I now have a Tesla. I keep coming here because I believe that the real world perspective I have on both vehicles is valid material to provide insight to others.

I, like you, thought this would be a safe place to exchange ideas. What I do perceive unfortunately is that there is a significant level of hostility to anything said that represents Tesla as having benefit over the Bolt. This to the point of quite ludicrous commentary in some instances. I believe this today, I believed it 3 years ago when I was not yet anywhere near having a Tesla. I value everyone's perspective, and I understand that a number of Tesla nuts have clearly skewed members perspective on positive opinions of the brand being represented here. But do you think we could all water down our spiciness a little bit? Sometimes things are clear cut legs up from one brand (i.e. the Bolt's one pedal driving being the uncontestable best in class for a number of years), but others are subject to very subjective observation. There's lots to be learned from every manufacturer and for us all as users and "early-adopters" to share with each other without the immediacy of judgement I see thrown around on here far too regularly now.

So I'm apologetic if my comments were perceived as arrogant because they favor Tesla in an aspect of it's technology, but I do wish a number of people on here would also take a step back and look at how quickly they escalate a Tesla positive comment into "S*** U* Tesla fanboy".

 

[boltage]

When in the morning we get into an ICE car and the fuel gauge says "full" we know there is gas in the tank up to the maximum the tank can hold.

When we get in an EV in the morning after charging all night and it tells us, based on driver habits, we only have three-fourths or less of "full range," it is not the same thing as a full tank of gas.

Some ICEVs have a distance-to-empty display which is basically the same as the guess-o-meter (i.e. it estimates how far you can drive based on recent driving habits and the amount of fuel left). I drove a borrowed ICEV once and saw its distance-to-empty display increase (despite using up some of the fuel) because I drove more economically than the people who usually drove it.

In the Bolt, the equivalent of an ICEV's fuel gauge is the stack of bars on the left side of the display (although they only show 5% increments, and show optimistically in that the last full bar could represent anywhere from 1% to 5%).

 

[boltage]

The GOM of the Tesla is the same as the Bolt one. In fact is even stupider, because it’s always the EPA range. It has no relevance until you input a destination. [mod edit]

The Tesla guess-o-meter is in the energy screen. The range number that can be toggled with battery percentage on the main screen is rated range remaining that does not vary based on driving habits. As a practical matter, it is basically a higher resolution battery gauge, although it can also tell you how much battery capacity loss from new there has been (i.e. when the rated range at 100% is lower than the as-new rated range).

The following image shows both the rated range (upper left) and guess-o-meter range (right). The energy display shows that the driver has been driving less economically (dashed horizontal line average, with jagged line for 1/10 mile increments) than rated (solid horizontal line).

 

[SpicyBolt]

I'm on this forum because I spent 5 years driving a Bolt. I now have a Tesla. I keep coming here because I believe that the real world perspective I have on both vehicles is valid material to provide insight to others.

I, like you, thought this would be a safe place to exchange ideas. What I do perceive unfortunately is that there is a significant level of hostility to anything said that represents Tesla as having benefit over the Bolt. This to the point of quite ludicrous commentary in some instances. I believe this today, I believed it 3 years ago when I was not yet anywhere near having a Tesla. I value everyone's perspective, and I understand that a number of Tesla nuts have clearly skewed members perspective on positive opinions of the brand being represented here. But do you think we could all water down our spiciness a little bit? Sometimes things are clear cut legs up from one brand (i.e. the Bolt's one pedal driving being the uncontestable best in class for a number of years), but others are subject to very subjective observation. There's lots to be learned from every manufacturer and for us all as users and "early-adopters" to share with each other without the immediacy of judgement I see thrown around on here far too regularly now.

So I'm apologetic if my comments were perceived as arrogant because they favor Tesla in an aspect of it's technology, but I do wish a number of people on here would also take a step back and look at how quickly they escalate a Tesla positive comment into "S*** U* Tesla fanboy".

I appreciate that and was thinking the same thing this weekend while at a fan event for the Minnesota Twins. Players etc., were interviewed and questions came up about the team's shortcomings and how they can improve this coming season.

The discussions were all from the perspective of Twins fans rooting for the team and wanting it to improve. We didn't have any White Sox fans in our midst, trash talking our team and wanting it to fail.

So I'm apologetic too, and think you are correct that we do have (or at least have had) a few on here who use rhetoric suggesting they are actually rooting for GM to fail. And all they want to do is remind us how "superior" their Teslas are. And that leads to people like myself perhaps becoming overly defensive at times.

So, I am going to try to take your comments from now on, as being from a fellow Bolt and GM fan. And you want GM to succeed in their EV transition. You are merely trying to offer helpful and constructive criticism.

And as for the spiciness, I initially created my name due to the fact that our first Bolt was a Cayenne Orange EV. That's gone now, having been trade repurchased into a Bright Blue EUV. So perhaps at times, I am subconsciously trying to justify my name through my comments.

 

[Voldar]

The Tesla guess-o-meter is in the energy screen. The range number that can be toggled with battery percentage on the main screen is rated range remaining that does not vary based on driving habits.

Thank you, I already knew these. That's why I am stupefied when I see people worshipping the Tesla's GOM when in fact they are talking about the route planner integrated in the Tesla. Which, for some might appear to be the same thing, but in reality it is not. I drove Tesla, I have friends who have one, and I could say when driving in the "blind", only by the GOM, it's a lot easier to do it in a Bolt EV.
Why ? Because the GOM of the bolt has all the information one needs in the DIC, especially in the Metric layout :

• you see the instant power used to advance in kW
• you see the Average (efficiency) in kWh/100 km
• you can correlate a lot easier what's happening between the power used and the efficiency of the driving
• you have the trend bar that's telling you at any moment if you are driving worse or better than the Average posted in the DIC
• and you have the numbers that are there to guide you against the distance to destination. This is why I always said, the Min number is the one that's important to use, not the Middle one.

You have all of these in front of your eyes, you don't need to go in different pages as in Tesla to check what's what, looking away from the road.

P.S. The above screen-shot was taken when I was driving on the highway in -20C temperatures @ 110 km/h. I was doing 100 km/h before that, then seeing that the Min number was way above the distance to destination, I decided to speed up. I hate to arrive at the DCFC station with a high SOC %.