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Battery losing charge so soon?

2.9K views 11 replies 10 participants last post by  MichBolt  
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I'm well aware that as time goes on, all batteries lose the amount of charge they can hold . My Bolt doesn't even have 19,000 miles on it. Despite this, after a full charge the amount of miles you can expect (the number in the middle) is down to about 280 miles from about 330 miles a few months ago. Based on the information I have, this sort of thing happens after several years of use and, of course, much higher mileage.

At the time of this writing we are in the middle of winter. Could it be that the car's computer detects the outside temperature, assumes you'll be using the heat, then factors this into the number of miles you can expect? Unless my information is incorrect and/or the batteries are deteriorating faster than expected, I see no other explanation.

What do you guys think?
 
#3 ·
The "miles of range" or "Guess-O-Meter" number is just a guess that can change drastically depending on driving history and many other factors. Battery capacity is one of a great many things than can affect the GOM.

I'd be willing to bet you have not lost more than a couple kWh of battery capacity at 19,000 miles.
 
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What do you guys think?
I think you should read the email you got when you registered here. It contained a link to THIS thread and you would have had your answer. Reading never killed anyone. Made everyone smarter, though.
@ARob can you close this 10001 thread on this same subject ?

P.S. After having my Tesla I understand now why posting the EPA each time instead of the number based on the previous driving was the right approach : no Tesla owner has this kind of questions.
 
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P.S. After having my Tesla I understand now why posting the EPA each time instead of the number based on the previous driving was the right approach : no Tesla owner has this kind of questions.
Right, no Tesla owner asks these questions. Ignorance is bliss, eh? So instead, Tesla owners are suing Tesla for breach of warranty and fraud, alleging that the car can't go as far as the advertising and the range indicator said it could.

Personally, I'd rather have the car try to be accurate in its estimates, even if the estimates are not flattering. The GOM is a useful tool to plan charging stops and adjust my driving for the remaining charge. I can't fault the GOM for being truthful. I can fault GM for some of their user interface design decisions. The battery gauge should have shown a percentage, and it should be more prominent than the range estimates. The range estimates should be called out as estimates on the display. All of the confusion around the GOM is down to people not understanding what it's trying to convey.
 
#7 ·
Batteries don't hold miles, they hold energy. So you need to see how many KWH the battery is holding when it is charged to 100% to figure out if you lost any capacity.
People who buy EVS that don't know this really need to do their research before owning one. I suggest you look up Tom on State of Charge and Out of Spec Guides on YouTube to learn about charging and batteries and all things EVs.
 
#9 ·
It's not just using heat that brings down your range in the winter. The battery is less efficient in the cold. The Bolt does have a battery heating system, but it is fairly conservative compared to something like a Tesla. If you have your Bolt set to charge to a departure time, it will heat the battery up to around 60ºF. Warmer would probably be better for efficiency, but GM chose that temperature for some reason.

I'm not sure if your post was meant as a "humble brag," but you are getting some astounding economy no matter what. I drive for Uber, so I keep the interior at a comfortable temperature. My range in 30º-45ºF weather is usually around 180 miles at 87% charge. I just spent a week driving a Tesla Model 3 while my Bolt was in for service, and it was getting 4-4.8 miles per kWh in the same weather, and I certainly wasn't babying it! Driving up to 70 MPH on the highway and having a bit of fun with it (when I didn't have customers in the car).
 
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As mentioned already, your question may be addressed by the stickied post in the New Member section linked in post #5 above. We will generally close new threads asking about the range estimate until the poster has indicated that they understand the information in that stickied thread. Afterwards, if you have a new question not addressed there, go ahead and start a new thread.
 
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