[finch4ever]

Not happy about this. I am more then tired of this SUV trend

 

[BehindBars]

The EUV has a three inch longer wheelbase than the EV, so there's a wee bit more room for a battery pack, but that's not much. So, you are probably correct.

The EUV is only six inches longer and the lightest version is only 56 lbs. heavier than the Bolt EV. It's also outselling the EV by about two to one. So, I don't understand all the hand wringing and consternation about dropping the ever so slightly smaller and lighter version.

You mentioned only dimensional differences. What I find important is the difference in MPGe and range potential between EV and EUV.

 

[BehindBars]

Not happy about this. I am more then tired of this SUV trend

Agreed. I mourn the death or near death of the sub compact hatchback styled car, but the public‘s obsession with the SUV-look pretty much killed it.

 

[atc98092]

but all it might take is a simple announcement that GM changed therir minds and they’ll continue Bolt production

They have already committed to switching the Orion plant to building the electric pickup, so they really don't have the option to continue production. They have to move production to a new location, which will take time.

 

[SpicyBolt]

You mentioned only dimensional differences. What I find important is the difference in MPGe and range potential between EV and EUV.

We've had both, and can hardly tell any difference in practical terms. Also, GM rates conservatively. According to Edmunds the real world range of the EUV is better than the EPA range of the EV anyway. It's true that it falls short of the EV. The Ultium version of the EUV might be more efficient. We'll see.

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[md.]

Not happy about this. I am more then tired of this SUV trend

I don't understand when people call the EUV an SUV. It's a hatchback. Yes, it's 6" longer, but that doesn't make it an SUV. It's 0.2 inches wider and 0.2 inches taller. It doesn't have any additional ground clearance. No AWD. Can't tow. It has a roof rack, I guess. Am I missing something else that makes it an SUV aside two letters matching in EUV and SUV? I mean, to people outside of GM's marketing department.

 

[atc98092]

For me, the lifted hatchback/CUV form factor is desired for the simple reason of vehicle ingress/exiting. As we age, it becomes harder to lower ourselves into a sedan, and can even be harder to get back out. I hate getting into/out of my daughter's GTI, and she herself (at age 42) is looking forward to the day I give her my Taos (and I get another plug in car). It's certainly not for any offroad purposes I want that form factor. I just want something comfortable to enter and exit.

 

[SpicyBolt]

I don't understand when people call the EUV an SUV. It's a hatchback. Yes, it's 6" longer, but that doesn't make it an SUV. It's 0.2 inches wider and 0.2 inches taller. It doesn't have any additional ground clearance. No AWD. Can't tow. It has a roof rack, I guess. Am I missing something else that makes it an SUV aside two letters matching in EUV and SUV? I mean, to people outside of GM's marketing department.

You'll never catch me calling our EUV an SUV. F the marketing!

For me, the lifted hatchback/CUV form factor is desired for the simple reason of vehicle ingress/exiting. As we age, it becomes harder to lower ourselves into a sedan, and can even be harder to get back out. I hate getting into/out of my daughter's GTI, and she herself (at age 42) is looking forward to the day I give her my Taos (and I get another plug in car). It's certainly not for any offroad purposes I want that form factor. I just want something comfortable to enter and exit.

I agree, and fortunately the Bolts, like the porridge, are just right for us. My wife checked out an Escape and found it too high for getting into and out of. Our Volt, was definitely too low. The Bolt is no SUV though, not in my book. Over 50 years of driving in Minnesota and still never an AWD vehicle. So, I don't need that either. All, I've ever needed is snow tires.

I guess the article below was written before GM succumbed and started calling it an SUV. That doesn't make it so, IMHO. @finch4ever , just don't listen to the BS.

3 Reasons Why the 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EUV Isn't an SUV | Edmunds

The all-new Bolt EUV has plenty of things going for it, but there's a reason Chevy doesn't call it an SUV. Three reasons, in fact.

www.edmunds.com

 

[misterg33]

Then why did GM discontinue the Bolt before a replacement was ready?

Because GM is run by people who don’t know what they are doing from one minute to the next?

 

[BehindBars]

I don't understand when people call the EUV an SUV. It's a hatchback. Yes, it's 6" longer, but that doesn't make it an SUV. It's 0.2 inches wider and 0.2 inches taller. It doesn't have any additional ground clearance. No AWD. Can't tow. It has a roof rack, I guess. Am I missing something else that makes it an SUV aside two letters matching in EUV and SUV? I mean, to people outside of GM's marketing department.

I think the EUV is sometimes called an SUV because it captures the looks of other popular SUVs. Comparing carefully, my personal conclusion is the the EUV has a less sloped winshield that mates farther rearward to a taller hood leading forward to a taller front snout. The contents inside, under the hood, are no different in EUV compared to EV. I concluded, again personally, that the redesigned front end of the EUV, versus the EV, was purely for looks, to capture the audience that wouldn’t be caught dead driving a subcompact car but are OK driving what at least looks more like an SUV. The penalty for the SUVish style is more energy use at highway speeds.

 

[misterg33]

I think the EUV is sometimes called an SUV because it captures the looks of other popular SUVs.

It’s called an SUV because it is an SUV. It’s certainly not a truck, a sedan, or a compact.

 

[SpicyBolt]

I think the EUV is sometimes called an SUV because it captures the looks of other popular SUVs. Comparing carefully, my personal conclusion is the the EUV has a less sloped winshield that mates farther rearward to a taller hood leading forward to a taller front snout. The contents inside, under the hood, are no different in EUV compared to EV. I concluded, again personally, that the redesigned front end of the EUV, versus the EV, was purely for looks, to capture the audience that wouldn’t be caught dead driving a subcompact car but are OK driving what at least looks more like an SUV. The penalty for the SUVish style is more energy use at highway speeds.

Having owned both, the less sloped windshield has a practical advantage. The more upright A pillar creates less of a blind spot. As a primarily urban vehicle, the EUV works better for us, and the small efficiency difference is inconsequential. Also, the official cargo dimensions don't tell the whole story. I can fit longer items into our EUV than I could in our EV. And, no back seat passenger has yet to complain about the extra legroom either.

 

[SpicyBolt]

It’s called an SUV because it is an SUV. It’s certainly not a truck, a sedan, or a compact.

The EPA calls both Bolts, small station wagons, FWIW. Others have called it a compact or even subcompact. I call our EUV a small hatchback. I called our Bolt EV the same thing.

The two are so close in size and weight, I don't see how one could be classified differently than the other, whatever one wants to call them.

I don't see how a FWD only car with just 5.6" of ground clearance can be called an SUV. If it is, the EUV would be the most pathetic SUV I've ever heard of.

It's only called an SUV because of marketing. Everyone wants an SUV these days. I have a relative with a 2019 Kia Sorento, and I accidentally called it a minivan. He sternly reminded me it's an SUV, and it's just a FWD version too. I've noticed that newer Sorentos have more of an SUV look, so maybe I'm not the only guilty party.

 

[finch4ever]

I don't understand when people call the EUV an SUV. It's a hatchback. Yes, it's 6" longer, but that doesn't make it an SUV. It's 0.2 inches wider and 0.2 inches taller. It doesn't have any additional ground clearance. No AWD. Can't tow. It has a roof rack, I guess. Am I missing something else that makes it an SUV aside two letters matching in EUV and SUV? I mean, to people outside of GM's marketing department.

When I say SUV trend I think about the fact that cars get bigger and bigger. While I understand the EUV is not exactly the same size as a full SUV its still bigger for no good reason other then to please the general population also wanting bigger and bigger. Ironically the EUV is bigger but doesn't even have more usable space inside so it's all about the illusion

 

[SpicyBolt]

Ironically the EUV is bigger but doesn't even have more usable space inside so it's all about the illusion

It has more usable space inside. The way cargo capacity is measured, just doesn't show it. Perhaps if one wanted to fill each car with water, the EUV has no more usable space. That's not what people do. I've owned both cars, and can fit longer items into the EUV more easily than our previous EV. I've noticed that when picking things up at Menards (think Home Depot).

It's not a big difference though since the EUV is a lousy six inches longer than the EV. It appears to be much bigger than it actually is. And it's like only 100 lbs. heavier give or take a little depending on the version. It's as little as 56 lbs heavier.

Also the additional rear seat legroom is real, it's not an illusion. Our passengers who've sat in both cars have remarked on it. And the better outward visibility with the more upright windshield and smaller A pillar blind spot is not an illusion either.

No doubt GM styled the EUV in a manner that makes it more desirable, and buyers have responded. It seems logical to save production costs and go with the more popular version. It's still nearly just as small and light. The EUV is still just a compact hatchback no matter what GM wants to call it.

 

[md.]

When I say SUV trend I think about the fact that cars get bigger and bigger. While I understand the EUV is not exactly the same size as a full SUV its still bigger for no good reason other then to please the general population also wanting bigger and bigger. Ironically the EUV is bigger but doesn't even have more usable space inside so it's all about the illusion

That makes sense. It's fine to like the EV better -- whether that's based on looks, the better efficiency, easier parking, etc. I just think it's weird to call it an SUV.

It does actually have more room, though. 3" extra legroom in the back. And while the cargo capacity is listed as smaller in the EUV, that's only because the location where the (EPA or FTC, or whoever mandates these things) requires the vertical measurement to be taken is at the exact spot where the EUV hatch opening is at its lowest. In reality, you can fit more stuff in the back of the EUV. Not sure if it's significant, but it's not the other way around.

 

[RacerX00]

We've had both, and can hardly tell any difference in practical terms. Also, GM rates conservatively. According to Edmunds the real world range of the EUV is better than the EPA range of the EV anyway. It's true that it falls short of the EV. The Ultium version of the EUV might be more efficient. We'll see.
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Edmunds Tested: Electric Car Range and Consumption | Edmunds

Which EVs have the best electric car range? The EPA provides range estimates for every electric vehicle, but they don't test EV range in the real world -- and Edmunds does. Read all the latest real-world EV test results from the Edmunds experts.

www.edmunds.com

My EV feels like it's got a bit more pep than my EUV.

 

[finch4ever]

That makes sense. It's fine to like the EV better -- whether that's based on looks, the better efficiency, easier parking, etc. I just think it's weird to call it an SUV.

It does actually have more room, though. 3" extra legroom in the back. And while the cargo capacity is listed as smaller in the EUV, that's only because the location where the (EPA or FTC, or whoever mandates these things) requires the vertical measurement to be taken is at the exact spot where the EUV hatch opening is at its lowest. In reality, you can fit more stuff in the back of the EUV. Not sure if it's significant, but it's not the other way around.

I helped a friend to buy a Bolt and he couldn't decide between the EV and EUV. He chosen the EV because with his measuring tape in hand and with seats down he concluded there was no more room then the EV. He couldn't justify having a bigger car at a high price tag with no extra room. Sure there might be maybe 1 inch extra or not. You get the point.

The leg room inside the EV is already respectable as is but heard the EUV have more leg room but with the compromise of having less in the trunk

 

[SpicyBolt]

My EV feels like it's got a bit more pep than my EUV.

I agree about that. The EV is the "sports car" of Bolts. If I could justify it, I'd have one of each. Last Sunday I looked at hail damaged buyback Bolts but have abandoned the notion of replacing my gasmobile with a cheap used Bolt at this point.

I helped a friend to buy a Bolt and he couldn't decide between the EV and EUV. He chosen the EV because with his measuring tape in hand and with seats down he concluded there was no more room then the EV. He couldn't justify having a bigger car at a high price tag with no extra room. Sure there might be maybe 1 inch extra or not. You get the point.

The leg room inside the EV is already respectable as is but heard the EUV have more leg room but with the compromise of having less in the trunk

You are right on both counts, the EUV doesn't bring much more to the table in those respects. While there is less vertical space in the rear of the cargo area of the EUV, our Weathertech cargo mat from our EV fits fine on the lower cargo floor of our EUV. And from the front of the cargo mat to the front seat backs, there's gotta be more room, due to the extra legroom. Unless they shrunk the back seat in the EUV.

There is no extra legroom in the front of the EUV. The Weathertech front mats from our EV fit perfectly. The mat for the backseat was too small.

My wife and I definitely agree the EUV rides better than our 2021 Bolt EV did. I don't know how much of that is the three inches extra wheelbase, and how much is different suspension tuning. My wife is much happier with the ride though. I kind of miss the more "sporty" ride of the EV, but it was a bit like a pogo stick on bumps.

Ideally it would be nice if GM kept both Bolts. I'm just glad it's returning in one form anyway. If they are only going to build one, I don't know why they'd pick the one that is not selling as well.

And I just don't buy the notion that the EUV is too close to the Equinox EV in size either. While official numbers haven't come out yet, the Equinox EV us reported to be about 20 inches longer than the EUV, and about 5 inches wider too.

 

[GJETSON]

It's also outselling the EV by about two to one. So, I don't understand all the hand wringing and consternation about dropping the ever so slightly smaller and lighter version.

Perhaps GM could stretch the wheelbase a bit more?

Because it is going in the wrong direction. Vehicles need to get smaller, not larger.

If they make a longer car than the EUV to get 60+ kWh in, then it is already bigger than the EUV, and approaching Model Y size.