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Discussion starter · #22 ·
That could be the case, but I have always wondered if the data values we get from the BMS via the OBD2 reader and TorquePro are really all collected at the same time, or if there is some time differences between some Amp and Voltage values and that might lead to misleading values of kW.

Not me, but the few folks on here who seem to have access to this data have said it isn't great. The sampling isn't simultaneous. GM isn't using the kind of computing power that Tesla has. That suggests to me that brief excursions to higher amperages would be inevitable.
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
Hi
Is this an third party app ?
Our car hasn't arrived yet so I'm idling browsing forums gathering information.
Thanks
A former member here did most of the work.


 
I would be happy to discuss Elon Musk's character in the basement.
We don't need to discuss it. It's common knowledge at this point -- made public by the tweets he sends all day instead of actually doing any work -- that Elon Musk is in favor of segregation between whites and blacks and against rights for LGBTQ+ people. You either support him or you don't.
 
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We don't need to discuss it. It's common knowledge at this point -- made public by the tweets he sends all day instead of actually doing any work -- that Elon Musk is in favor of segregation between whites and blacks and against rights for LGBTQ+ people. You either support him or you don't.
I don't like him personally. I didn't like Wernher von Braun personally either. He was an actual Nazi, who used people destined for death camps as slave labor in his rocket factory. The US brought him to here, after WW II, and made him a TV celebrity, leading our rocket research.

 
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Discussion starter · #31 ·
I didn't like Fidel Castro but he was hosted by Ed Sullivan once so I guess I have to buy stuff from him. I don't make the rules.
Just to bring you up to speed, Fidel Castro died in 2016. I am sure Cuba would be much better off now, if they had simply made payments to Citibank, like Haiti did, instead of living under a crushing trade embargo. o_O

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Just to bring you up to speed, Fidel Castro died in 2016. I am sure Cuba would be much better off now, if they had simply made payments to Citibank, like Haiti did, instead of living under a crushing trade embargo. o_O

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Unfortunately, I had to buy a car from him. There was no excuse not to. He was on Ed Sullivan. shrugs
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
Unfortunately, I had to buy a car from him. There was no excuse not to. He was on Ed Sullivan. shrugs
If you think buying your EV from some other for-profit corporation will do anything at all to end bigotry, go for it. I personally see the total corruption of our public institutions by private corporate money as far more dangerous than the views of one man.
 
I watched every one of these shows with wide eyed wonder. The future was going to be awesome.
And this is what I tell my kids. There is so much more ahead of us all. At 67 I'm aware that I will miss most of them, but I still look forward to the innovations that are yet to arrive. Despite the troubles in the country, both real and imaginary, I have an optimistic attitude that humans will find a way to overcome them. Let's see what's out there.

Edit. This is what I used to tell my kids. They are grown adults now.
 
From what I've seen with the new battery on EA DCFC stations (Eric Way), it looks like yes, the new battery charging speed is more sensitive to battery temperature (outside temperature). And also, he saw a difference in charging speeds when the car is shut down vs when the car is running. He charged his Bolt EV from 9% to 80% in 54 mins, vs another one who charged the Bolt from 0% to 80% in 75 mins. 20 mins difference isn't normal for 9% difference in SOC. I charged my Bolt from 25% to 50% (25%) in 18 mins (video below).

In my test of charging, on a 100 kW output DCFC station, I didn't see this difference. The charge was done in outside temperatures of 27 C = 80 F

Is the infotainment screen you keep panning to part of the '19 bolt's software, or is that an android auto / apple screen? I always assumed the '17-19s were all the same, but I've never seen that on my 18, or my friend's 17.
 
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I haven't watched the video but he shows CarPlay a bunch of times and it looks like the My Chevrolet app's CarPlay support.

See Intro to CarPlay and iPhone and Use your vehicle’s built-in controls to control CarPlay. You have the 3 MRU items on the left and a sorta home button in the lower left.

At 9:10, that's Chevy's native UI as part of the infotainment system. Target charge level tab is only on '19+ Bolts. '17 to '18 only had a hilltop reserve toggle.
 
Discussion starter · #37 · (Edited)
Did another DC fast charge yesterday. The temperature hit a high of 91 F, and was down to 86 F by 4:42 pm, when I stated charging at the EA 150 kW charger. The DIC SoC was 20.8%. Battery module temps were 80.6 F-86.0 F.



The car requested 150 amps immediately on startup, and the battery coolant pump started circulating unconditioned coolant. As always, the amps into the battery were just under the requested figure.



When the battery modules reached 84.2 F-89.6 F, the AC chiller turned on.



The modules reached a high of 91.4F, as the coolant reached its lowest temperature, 57.2 F.



At the end of charge, the amps were already tapering at 49.4% SoC. Notice the unfiltered temperature reading at the grille is much higher than the long term averaged reading on the dash.



On the way home, the AC chiller, and coolant circulating pump, continued to run. I deliberately had the HVAC off, so as to not confuse cabin cooling with the battery conditioning behavior. With the HVAC off, outside air, and fan only, the cabin was cooled anyway, as the evaporator is in the cabin.



The last screen shot was taken in the garage on arriving home. Notice the battery voltage bumps back up with the car off, and no load. The coolant, although no longer circulating (50 rpm is the default reading at zero rpm), the module temperatures continue to drop, as the coolant temperature rises.



EA said I charged for 21 minutes, and added 18 kWh, an average rate of 50.8 kW. They saw a max from the charger of 53 kW.
 
Did my first real charge at a EA site today (others were just testing their system). 43->80%, on the way home from the Bay Area. Started at 53kw, ended at 19. Took about 40 minutes. Was talking with a guy at the next charger (who was getting tired of waiting for it to get to 100% - sort of stuck at 98o_O) who had just bought a "used" Lightning supposedly getting a good deal (100 miles on it); made sure he had the list of apps (for my area and his: EA, Chargepoint, EVGo, and of course Plugshare). He had an electrician scheduled to come tomorrow to install a L2 charger. I sort of introduced him gently to the idea that charging to 100% was not needed or desirable...
 
On the way home, the AC chiller, and coolant circulating pump, continued to run. I deliberately had the HVAC off, so as to not confuse cabin cooling with the battery conditioning behavior. With the HVAC off, outside air, and fan only, the cabin was cooled anyway, as the evaporator is in the cabin.

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If there's no valve for the cabin refrigerant loop, are you introducing latent heat from the cabin into the battery loop and then your confusion between the cabin and battery conditioning would still exist?
 
The Japanese auto industry came up with the CHAdeMO standard in 2009.

The Nissan Leaf, and Mitsubishi i-MiEV, arrived arrived in the US in 2011. The few DC chargers were 120 A, 50 kW maximum.

The US, and European, auto industry came up with the idea for CCS charging standards, CCS1 in North America, and CCS2 in Europe, in 2012.

The first car in the US to have CCS1 was the 2014 Chevy Spark EV. The chargers available then were 50 kW maximum capacity, and had both CHAdeMO, and CCS1 plugs.

The Bolt came out in December of 2016. We took our first road trip in the fall of 2017. All the chargers we used were 50 kW max. Just finding one required driving miles off the highway. It was an amazing adventure, and being able to charge in an hour or so seemed magical. The only other EV we ever saw at a charger was the Leaf.

In 2019 we took road trips using the new 150-350A, 150-350 kW chargers, which allowed charging in 30-45 minutes. That year, I saw a high reading of 56.3 kW for several seconds, charging on an EA unit. I got a screen shot about 30 seconds later.

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Then came COVID-19, the battery fire software updates, and finally the battery replacements.

I have DC fast charged the new battery 4 times since getting it installed in September of 2022. The temperatures have not been high enough to get the battery to the 75 -85 F range it requires for 150A, 50-55 kW charging, until yesterday.

I picked the Bolt up from our local Chevy dealer, after having the third brake caliper replacement. Still have one original, properly functioning brake caliper, at 52K miles.

I did some errands. Even though it had been in the 80s F for several hours, the previous night had been in the high 40s F, so the battery was only in the high 60s F.

I drove down the interstate for 45 minutes, doing some accelerating, and regening, when possible, to warm up the battery. I managed to arrive at the Sheetz, to try out the EA DC chargers, with the battery in the low 70s F.

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The double CCS 150 kW charger was down. One of the 350 kW chargers was down. I used the other 350 kW charger, leaving the 150 kW CCS/CHAdeMO for anybody else showing up.

The charge started,

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and the battery heater started immediately at 2.0 kW, and soon the pack was mid-70s F.

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By 25% SoC, the pack was in the upper 70s F, and the heater had tapered to 0.5 kW.

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The heater then cut off, and the pump kept circulating the hot coolant, trying to maintain a fairly even temperature from module to module.

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By 50% SoC, the circulating hot coolant, and the act of charging, had raised the battery to the high 80s F.

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At this point, the AC chiller kicked in to attempt to keep the battery in its happy place, below 90 F.

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I quit charging at 52.2% SoC, and the conditioning promptly stopped.

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Note that 50 pump rpm is a false reading. It is actually stopped.

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The Bolt is fast charging at below 1C under the best of conditions. I saw 51.6 kW max on this charge, and EA reported 52 kW max in their summary. The conditioning struggles to keep the modules within 3 F of each other during charging. This seems pretty sad.

However, I had a $50K, 72.8 kWh, 2023 Subaru Solterra, as a loner, while they were working on the brakes of our Bolt. It averaged just over 2mi/kWh while driving exactly as I drive our Bolt, seeing 4 mi/kWh. I charged it to a preset 80% SoC in our garage overnight, and it was below 75% SoC when I arrived at the EA station, under 10 miles later, to try a 350 kW fast charger. Granted, it was surely tapering by that point, but the maximum EA recorded was 13 kW.
This is a good thread-starter/post because it puts the Bolt's 'slow' 55kW DCFC in context. IOW, at one point in time not all that long ago, 55kW DCFC was perfectly acceptable.

Of course, time marches on, and now it's considered the Bolt's Achilles Heel relative to the advent of much faster DCFC stations and capability of other, newer BEVs. The silver lining is that any bad publicity the Bolt might receive over this apparent detriment can lower Bolt demand/increase supply/lower the price for the savvy BEV shopper.

As it is, the Bolt is a pretty **** good deal right now with the return of full $7500 federal tax credit eligibility, particularly if DCFC is not all the necessary for the owner's needs.
 
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