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Motorweek TV gave the 500e a good report.

I drove more than 65 miles a day when I worked. Most of the basic ev cars couldn't make it in bad weather.

The Bolt is a great city car. I use it up to 300 mile trips but more than that I refuse to. Just too long of a drive.

There are a lot of good choices on market. Bolt is a bit older version of EV. Kinda basic. Only a few with limited super cruise.

Guess it may depend on your area for best prices. If they hate ev's there might get a better price.
 
@evtinker is a regular poster here, and his IT friend has gotten the site back up twice in the last few months. I hope he can do it again.
I just dropped a note to the host of the EV Album to see if he can take a look. The underlying code is getting so old I am afraid one of these times it will go down and not come back. I guess we will just have to cross our fingers and hope.
 
I just dropped a note to the host of the EV Album to see if he can take a look. The underlying code is getting so old I am afraid one of these times it will go down and not come back. I guess we will just have to cross our fingers and hope.
The EV Photo Album is back up again, but for now it is pretty much just view only. The automated scripts for notifications and most editing are still out. That code and the image loading script are probably just not compatible with the server and modern web browsers.
 
Discussion starter · #25 ·
Okay...followup. We took delivery of the 2022 Bolt EV today. Love it. Spent a couple hours sitting in the car familiarising myself with all the screens and buttons while the car charged from my Fiat Level 2 charger. Was disappointed the MyChevrolet App requires monthly subscription. Even more disappointing is that the battery at "fully charged" (steady green light) shows range estimate of 173 miles... way short of the 250 or so i was hoping for. Now I assume some of that may be due to driving style of the previous owner, but still it suggests to me there been more than normal degradation on the battery. The car has just 29,242 miles on it.

Anyone care to comment?
 
Even more disappointing is that the battery at "fully charged" (steady green light) shows range estimate of 173 miles... way short of the 250 or so i was hoping for. Now I assume some of that may be due to driving style of the previous owner, but still it suggests to me there been more than normal degradation on the battery. The car has just 29,242 miles on it.

Anyone care to comment?
"Fully charged" can be anywhere from 40% to 100% on later model Bolts. You can set the limit on the charge setting screen on the infotainment unit. How many green bars are showing on the left side of the DIC? 100% is 20 green bars.

As for the app, it never impressed me. Get an OBD II adapter and some apps to really know what is going on with your Bolt.


 
...Even more disappointing is that the battery at "fully charged" (steady green light) shows range estimate of 173 miles... way short of the 250 or so i was hoping for...
Check out the range display stickied thread in the New Member section:
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
I am basing my experiences of owning and driving a Fiat 500e rated by EPA at 84 miles. Usually 100% SOC can indicate upwards of 115-120 miles of range. Winter time closer of 90 miles. Of course, that's typically not what I'd actually get; all depends on where and how I drive the car: town vs highway, winter vs summer.

Interestingly, driving the Bolt home from the dealer, a distance of about 15 miles, the range "questimator" indicated 167 miles at the dealer and dropped to just 164 as I pulled in the driveway: a promising show.

Bottomline: I'll see how it does over next few weeks and I'll check that charge limiter mentioned above.

Understand, that while I have been "EVangelising" EVs for 25+ years and owned hybrids since 2000, the Fiat 500e is my first 100% EV experience and now the Bolt is my first "beyond the city" EV...so yeah, just a tad "anxious." :)

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I am basing my experiences of owning and driving a Fiat 500e rated by EPA at 84 miles. Usually 100% SOC can indicate upwards of 115-120 miles of range. Winter time closer of 90 miles. Of course, that's typically not what I'd actually get; all depends on where and how I drive the car: town vs highway, winter vs summer...
Here in SE Michigan, I have rarely seen the EPA rated 259 miles on the range display. It's usually less. In summer, it will get as high as ~240, and in winter, it can fall as low as ~160 when it's really cold.

It's all dependent on efficiency, as you know. The heating system can use a lot in winter (cabin heater up to 7 kW, battery heater another 2 kW), so short trips can result in worse efficiency / estimated range.

If you really want to measure battery degradation, you'll need a way to see the state of charge in 1% increments. Unfortunately, there is no built-in way to do this. You'll either need to use the MyChevrolet app with a subscription to see the Bolt's battery state of charge, or a bluetooth ODB2 reader with an app like Torque Pro (Android) or Engine Link or ODB Fusion (iOS). See allev.info/boltpids for instructions and the list of PIDs to import.

To measure battery capacity:
1. Charge to 100%.
2. Drive until the battery state of charge is very low, below ~15%.
3. Note the energy used in kWh on the Energy screen of the Bolt.
4. Divide the energy used by the difference in the state of charge, e.g. 52 kWh / (100% - 13%) = 59.8 kWh.

Note that you'll get different results depending on the weather / ambient temperature. Winter will show a lower capacity than summer, so the most "accurate" time would be summer. For example, my largest recent drive used 37.4 kWh going from 100% to 38.4%, which translates to roughly 60.7 kWh. The Bolt has a nominal 64 kWh capacity, but my first drive test after getting the replacement battery showed ~62.7 kWh (I received a replacement battery during the recall in December 2022).

By that measure, my battery degradation over the past 2 years is roughly 3%, which is pretty good. As always, YMMV.
 
Discussion starter · #31 ·
Hi all... I've been contemplating donating our 2009 Prius to charity, selling my Fiat 500e city car.. and becoming a "one car couple." Am strongly considering the Bolt and looking for current owner insights before writing the check.

I currently do all my charging at home using Fiat's Dual Level 1/Level II portable charger from a 240 NEMA 14-10R outlet. Assume Bolt's portable charger will work with this?
Heads up on the "One Car Couple" status. After my wife drove the Fiat 500e she found it "so cute and fun to drive" that she wants us to keep it...at least for now. Several other women at Earth Day also concurred. Give her freedom to roam when I am out with the Bolt.
 
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