[Colt Hero]

Is there a package on the LT that gives the 360 degree view with the backup camera?

It doesn't look like it. There are only (5) packages for the LT, none with the "Bird's Eye" view in them, and then when you try to add it as an individual option, it shows it not available on the LT.

Go to Chevrolet.com, click on "Shopping Tools" drop-down menu at top of screen, select "Build and Price", scroll down to click on "Bolt EV", then scroll down and click on "Compare Trims", then click on the (+) over on the right to "Add Trim To Compare" .. and select "LT" checkbox then click "Compare" button at the bottom, scroll down to click on the (+) again to expand the "Safety" section, you'll see that the "Bird's Eye" camera (a.k.a "HD Surround Vision") is not available on the LT.

NOTE: you can click on the (i) button at the far right of any feature for the text description of it...

UPDATE: I'll also answer my previous question about the "Infotainment Package" in post #10 above: it's only available on the Premier (BOSE 7-speaker, wireless charging, 2 USB charging-only ports in the rear), however ... to make things even more confusing ... the "Compare Trims" lists the "Infotainment System" as standard on both trims (i.e. the 10.2" color touch-screen)

Here are the differences from "Compare Trims" (2020 Models):

NOTE: this is the stuff that's "not available" (or just different between trims) ... anything else ... like DCFC ... can be added as an option on the Monroney sticker (as long as it's not in this list):

1.) LT 17" wheels are painted (Premier's are machined aluminum)
2.) LT does not have mirror turn signal indicators
3.) LT does not have chrome strip on body color door handles
4.) LT does not have roof mounted side rails
5.) LT does not have leather seats
6.) LT does not have front passenger seat map pocket (documentation alleges)
7.) LT does not have rear heated seats
8.) LT does not have BOSE 7-speaker stereo (see "Info Pkg" above)
9.) LT does not have ambient Instrument Panel lighting
10.) LT does not have Rear Camera Mirror (only std Rear View Mirror)
11.) LT does not have Rear Center Armrest
12.) LT does not have Wireless Device Charging (see "Info Pkg" above)
13.) LT does not have Rear USB Charging-Only ports (see "Info Pkg" above)
14.) LT does not have HD Surround Vision (Bird's Eye)

 

[ronr9286t]

Thanks for the clarification. I scoured that part of the site and did not see that ("Birds's Eye).

 

[PLP]

Different colors? Whoa, didnt know.

I think this is not correct....

For 2017-2019 it was the Green Mist Metallic and Silver Ice Metallic colours that were Premier only.
For 2020 it is Silver Ice Metallic for Premier only.

So, there you have it.

Source:

Bolt EV for Sale: 2020 Bolt EV Pricing | Chevrolet

Build and Price the 2020 Bolt EV: choose trims, accessories & more to see pricing on a new Chevy Bolt EV.

www.chevrolet.com

Change trim and choose colours again. Do for 2020 and you will see extra colours popping.

 

[ricardocabesa]

"Out-The-Door" (OTD) is the term most people use.

But what is the "Out-The-Door" price? To me - it's the number you paid just for the vehicle alone ... no taxes, tag, or title costs ... because those vary by state.

Was $27,400 what you paid for the vehicle alone? I've seen 3-package LT's advertised for $26,500, but it's really $28,500 because the dealer plays that trade-in game where they want you to give them a 2012 (or newer) vehicle with less than 100k for a measly $2,000! Laughable!

Out the door to folks on many forums means the total price-the price you paid to get the car in your garage. Every car I've bought the last 4 years has included tax, tag,title ect. You can't drive the car off the lot in Florida or Maryland without paying for those items, whether you paid cash or financed it. The 27.4k I referenced did not include the federal tax rebate, which some folks include their total price when you ask what they paid.
First I called the dealer in Maryland who I dealt with 2x in the past 18 month because they beat any local deal by at least 1k. I made many calls to dealers in Florida and surrounding states hoping to find a better deal than they offered, which was an LT with only the fast charger,like all LTs. It was a decent price but all they had was white, which was a deal killer for me. They had 3 of them. So I hemmed & hawed for 10 days before deciding to bite the bullet and drive up there for the 3rd time to trade. But I kept calling and found a deal on mine at a dealer only 156 from home that had 3 packages and WASN'T WHITE! And the windows were tinted too. So it saved me 4 days on the road and it was only $73 more expensive than the deal I had in Maryland. This was the last 2 weeks on January and I purchased on Jan. 30.not knowing if the huge rebates would renew in Feb and March like they did. Mine was manufactured in 12/19,so it was less than 2 months old. I found some dealers that had more than 5 and many had none.The dealers that had many were asking exorbitant prices. My dealer had mine on the lot for 17 days and it was their only Bolt.

 

[ricardocabesa]

It doesn't look like it. There are only (5) packages for the LT, none with the "Bird's Eye" view in them, and then when you try to add it as an individual option, it shows it not available on the LT.

Go to Chevrolet.com, click on "Shopping Tools" drop-down menu at top of screen, select "Build and Price", scroll down to click on "Bolt EV", then scroll down and click on "Compare Trims", then click on the (+) over on the right to "Add Trim To Compare" .. and select "LT" checkbox then click "Compare" button at the bottom, scroll down to click on the (+) again to expand the "Safety" section, you'll see that the "Bird's Eye" camera (a.k.a "HD Surround Vision") is not available on the LT.

NOTE: you can click on the (i) button at the far right of any feature for the text description of it...

UPDATE: I'll also answer my previous question about the "Infotainment Package" in post #10 above: it's only available on the Premier (BOSE 7-speaker, wireless charging, 2 USB charging-only ports in the rear), however ... to make things even more confusing ... the "Compare Trims" lists the "Infotainment System" as standard on both trims (i.e. the 10.2" color touch-screen)

Here are the differences from "Compare Trims":

NOTE: this is the stuff that's "not available" (or just different between trims) ... anything else ... like DCFC ... can be added as an option on the Monroney sticker (as long as it's not in this list):

1.) LT 17" wheels are painted (Premier's are machined aluminum)
2.) LT does not have mirror turn signal indicators
3.) LT does not have body color door handles
4.) LT does not have roof mounted side rails
5.) LT does not have leather seats
6.) LT has "deluxe steering wheel", but Premier doesn't (??)
7.) LT does not have front passenger seat map pocket
8.) LT does not have rear heated seats
9.) LT does not have BOSE 7-speaker stereo (see "Info Pkg" above)
10.) LT does not have Instrument Panel lighting (??)
11.) LT does not have Rear Camera Mirror
12.) LT does not have Rear Center Armrest (??)
13.) LT does not have Wireless Device Charging (see "Info Pkg" above)
14.) LT does not have Rear USB Charging-Only ports (see "Info Pkg" above)
15.) LT does not have HD Surround Vision (Bird's Eye)

Mine has #s 3 & 7.

 

[VTBolt]

For comparison shopping purposes, the ”out the door” price should exclude tax, title and registration.

 

[GJETSON]

Mine has #s 3 & 7.

Ours too. But it is a 2017. Things like these, and sun visors, have changed over time.

 

[PLP]

For comparison shopping purposes, the ”out the door” price should exclude tax, title and registration.

So then it is not OTD price...

 

[VTBolt]

So then it is not OTD price...

If you want to be pedantic, no. But if you are more concerned with actually helping people who may live in other states comparison shop, then it is by far the best way to list the price. The well accepted practice in forums that I have frequented is to provide the price excluding tax, title and registration.

 

[Voldar]

There are some nice features in the Premium but in the end I chose LT because I didn’t want anymore leather seats ! So I ended up with P1, heated driving weal And of course DCFC. The Lane assist and all in the P2 wasn’t something I used even when I had them in my full loaded Volt I had previousl.

 

[roseberry]

A month ago I paid $31698.65 on an LT with all the options except that it doesn't have premium paint. That price includes $500 because they had to use one of their premiers as trade to get the car I wanted from 250 miles away, over Snoqualmie pass, trailered. Sales tax was $1209 (I had to pay sales tax on the MSRP but I got a $25000 deduction because it's an EV with an MSRP less than $45000, or something like that). License and excise tax: $275. So $29714.65. That's the price they asked. I didn't dicker so I'm sure other people could do much better. I'm in central Washington State.

 

[PLP]

If you want to be pedantic, no. But if you are more concerned with actually helping people who may live in other states comparison shop, then it is by far the best way to list the price. The well accepted practice in forums that I have frequented is to provide the price excluding tax, title and registration.

I still do not agree. Excluding tax, title, and registration is still not good comparison.
Different states have different incentives. Also, tax is not always calculated based on the final sale price.

For example.
I got 2019 from FL dealer, shipped to MI. It was 2019 LT, white, 2 confidence and convenience along with DCFC. MSRP 40k. IT was "new to me", in a sense it was a loaner that had 3000 miles and 3 months service. They factored in federal rebate. Factory warranty was reset though.
Mine OTD price was 26.8k (shipped). Now, how to compare without tax and tags? Cannot really, because the tax was calculated based on price of about 33000, that is when the factory rebate was factored in. Other rebates and discounts I received from them were added on already taxed price.

Knowing it was MI purchase and 6% tax, one can estimate how good deal it was. Registration - this expense difference between states is ineligible. MI 12-month would be about 350, other states - 200 - 500? More? Less?

For EVs it is very hard to directly compare pricing across different states due to local and state incentives that may be applied at the time of sale.

 

[roseberry]

I still do not agree. Excluding tax, title, and registration is still not good comparison.
Different states have different incentives. Also, tax is not always calculated based on the final sale price.

For example.
I got 2019 from FL dealer, shipped to MI. It was 2019 LT, white, 2 confidence and convenience along with DCFC. MSRP 40k. IT was "new to me", in a sense it was a loaner that had 3000 miles and 3 months service. They factored in federal rebate. Factory warranty was reset though.
Mine OTD price was 26.8k (shipped). Now, how to compare without tax and tags? Cannot really, because the tax was calculated based on price of about 33000, that is when the factory rebate was factored in. Other rebates and discounts I received from them were added on already taxed price.

Knowing it was MI purchase and 6% tax, one can estimate how good deal it was. Registration - this expense difference between states is ineligible. MI 12-month would be about 350, other states - 200 - 500? More? Less?

For EVs it is very hard to directly compare pricing across different states due to local and state incentives that may be applied at the time of sale.

I agree. Out-the-door price often includes a lot of crap that's of no relevance to anyone else. You either need context, or adjustment to make it relevant.

 

[drdiesel1]

OTD has always been what it costs to park it in your driveway!

 

[roseberry]

At least as of 2003, the last time I did it, I could buy a car in Oregon and park it in my driveway without paying any sales, excise tax or license. So the OTD price figured that way is less if I bought it out of state, but an issue arises all too soon.

 

[Colt Hero]

OK, forget about the term "Out-The-Door", then. People interpret that differently (apparently). BTW: "Out-The-Door" price, to me, has always been the price I paid to get the vehicle Out-The-Door of the dealership ... and that may not have included taxes, title, tags, etc. .. depending on where I made the purchase (ie: I bought two new vehicles out-of-state with not taxes, title, or tag payments made).

But anyway ... we've all heard the phrase, "Compare Apples To Apples", right?

The only Apples-to-Apples comparison here is for the vehicle itself.

Forget about the (4) T's: Taxes, Tags, Title, and Trade-In. They really have nothing to do with your new car purchase anyway.

But we do need some context for the Apples, I agree.

The context should be:

1.) Your General Location (Northeast, Southeast, etc.)
2.) The Model Year
3.) The Trim Level
4.) The Packages/Options Added
5.) The MSRP
6.) The Rebate(s) applied
7.) The Dealer Discount applied (also as % of MSRP)
8.) Misc Discount applied (but NOT trade-in)
9.) Dealer Fee(s) added back in (+)
10.) The Total Price Paid for the vehicle (American or Canadian)

... might also want to include the Date-of-Purchase (if it differs from the post timeframe too much).

Example:

1.) Location: Southeast
2.) Model Year: 2020
3.) Trim Level: LT
4.) Packages/Options: DCFC, Driver Confidence, Comfort & Convenience
5.) MSRP: $39,295
6.) Rebate(s): -$8500
7.) Dealer Discount: -$1769 (4.5%)
8.) Misc Discount(s): -$500 (VIP Visit)
9.) Dealer Fee(s): +$200
10.) Total Price Paid: $28,726 (American)

Now, you might've paid less than $28,726 because you included a trade-in ... OR you might've paid more because you wrote a check for taxes, tag, and title fees ... but none of these extra debits or credits have anything to do with what you paid for the vehicle itself ... and including them just ends up "muddying the waters". We don't even need to know about any Federal or State credits you may have gotten because ... again ... these have nothing to do with what you paid for the vehicle itself.

 

[roseberry]

That's almost the same as my deal. I got the Driver Confidence 2 package and had to pay for the fetch. I said I was sure other's could do better but what I should have said is that I wouldn't be surprised if others could do better, but the fact is these cars are not that easy to get in a lot of places, including here. Most dealers can't sell them and the dealers that can probably have only one tech. The dealer I bought from is by far the largest dealer around so they might be able to service it. Some markets are just more competitive than others for these.

 

[PLP]

But anyway ... we've all heard the phrase, "Compare Apples To Apples", right?



The context should be:


9.) The Total Price Paid for the vehicle

Example:


9.) $28,526

So this price is with TAX? Delivery inspection or any surcharges added by the dealer? Doc fee?

You see, it is hard to figure out the amount as it may contain discounts before and after tax - as said above.

When I am looking on mine - they even altered the sale price. They do not relate to MSRP.

Date: 02-JAN-2020
1.) 48823, but purchase from 33713
2.) 2019
3.) LT
4.) Comfort and Convenience, Driver Confidence I+II Package, LPO, Interior Protection Package, DCFC
5.) 40'000
6.) Will include 7 and 8 as there is no way for me to tell what is what.16'671.02
7.) see 6
8.) see 6
9.) The Total Price Paid for the vehicle (OTD, that is all - 26'500, wihtout TAX, reg, and other add ons: 23'328.98)

Other add ons - they charged some 799+189 for delivery inspection and other crap. I did not care as I wanted to have OTD price at my limit.

Also, 500 in the OTD was for shipping, so one could say I paid 26'000. If you look even deeper - I could subtract Costco program, which is another 800 making final price for the car 25'200.

So there you have it. So complicated that I am not even sure what is what.



And I would even one more thing - date of the purchase. I pushed the deal to the limit... as for the wait time.

 

[roseberry]

I bought two new vehicles at the same time once, a long time ago, for myself and my mom. They weren't expensive vehicles, diesel rabbits, but the salesman still got excited to sell two at once.

 

[Colt Hero]

So this price is with TAX?

No. We're not including taxes, tags, title, or trade-in

Delivery inspection or any surcharges added by the dealer? Doc fee?

Oops! You're right! How could I have forgotten the dreaded "Dealer Doc Fee" (the "surprise" charge dealers use to ensure their profit for unsuspecting buyers!)
I'll update above. Also need to add currency (American or Canadian).

I've never heard of any other charges relating to "delivery inspection" in the 30 years I've been buying new vehicles. If a dealer is trying to charge for that, I'd be looking closely at the final numbers to see if they make sense. The dealer might just be padding a low-ball advertised price to get to the actual sale price (which is what it appears happened in your case).

You see, it is hard to figure out the amount as it may contain discounts before and after tax - as said above.
When I am looking on mine - they even altered the sale price. They do not relate to MSRP.

It shouldn't be hard to figure. I haven't gone into a dealership to buy a new vehicle since April of 1989. After that, I just started FAXing offers in. Once the Internet was up and running, I started using email. I only go into the dealership once I have a contract in place to purchase. And that piece of paper has all the vehicle information on it, together with all the numbers (including the silly 'dealer fee'), and the exact amount I will be turning over to the dealer to drive the vehicle home. Nobody should be going into a dealership to dicker, haggle, or whatever you want to call it .. that's just playing into the salesman's hands. That's when they start pulling out the fake invoices, and doing all the math gymnastics on the pad to confuse you. You never want to get caught in that trap!

So your explanation of your purchase price is a bit convoluted ... but let's see if we can clear it up:

$40,000 - $16671 (rebates & dealer discounts) = $23,329. (really good price ... but not "real". This is a phony 'teaser', or 'leader' price to get your interest)

So then they added back $799+$189 in "garbage fees" to bring the actual final price to $24,317. That's still a very good number!

Then, you paid $500 to ship it, but that's a charge unique to your particular purchase, and not part of the vehicle purchase per se ... so we don't include it.

But what's still confusing (to me, at least) is ... if you do add the $500 shipping charge ... that's still only $24,817, so I'm not sure why you're saying you paid $26,000 (or even $25,200 after your $800 Costco discount ... was that a rebate paid directly from Costco to you, or was it included in the price at the dealership?). It looks to me like you should've paid $24,317, but then they somehow managed to get you for an additional $900 ($500 for shipping and $400 out of thin air?).

It sounds like your reported actual vehicle purchase price should be $24,317 + $400 = $24,717 (still an excellent price). I'd say you did very good!

And I would even one more thing - date of the purchase. I pushed the deal to the limit... as for the wait time.

OK.