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I live in VA. My car insurance increased 28% when my policy renewed last year. This year, July, it went down $150. Go figure.
 
Guess I can get a quote from Tesla insurance.
Shame, I've been with a coop sort of insurance for decades. House went up by 300% too.
 
Rural MN. State Farm for the last 35 years. 2023 Bolt EUV: $362 / 6 months. 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit: $367 / 6 months. $560K home $2,745 / yr. Discounted for multiple vehicle and homeowners.
 
Its that time of year to renew my car insurance. Last year it went up a few hundred (like everything else). This year it went up another couple hundred. So what do I do? Get quotes from other insurance companies. For the 2 cars I have registered in CA, they are asking anywhere from $4000-6000 a year, which is just insane. Currently I am paying around $3000 which is still too much. I used to be paying around $2000 for both cars. I figured it was because of my $60k sports car but it turns out its cause of the Bolt. Sports car on its own, most quotes come back at $1500 a year. The Bolt by itself....... $3300!

Have any of you out here in CA noticed the same thing? What about in other states? This seriously is making me consider going back to an ICE vehicle for my daily because even for paying for gas, it would be cheaper. I had plans on keeping the Bolt until it died but now I have some thinking to do.
My insurance, both car and home (in town, "zero" wildfire risk), roughly doubled this year in California. Interesting, though, that the 2014 Prius costs more than the 2017 Bolt, counting the various line items, for roughly similar mileage (both minimal).
 
State Farm again is seeking huge increases in home insurance rates in California

Probably a combination of lawyers and taxes. Most in California have been convinced that evil corporations are to blame for everything, so it makes it super easy to sue and get big settlements from insurance companies. Nobody ever thinks there could be consequences that would impact them. And people don't understand the cumulative impact of high taxes. They see their big tax bill and think that it ends there. But every person, small business, and large company is also paying those tax bills so they have to charge more to pay their taxes so everything costs more indirectly due to taxes. My way to solve this problem was to move out of California.
 
State Farm again is seeking huge increases in home insurance rates in California

Probably a combination of lawyers and taxes. Most in California have been convinced that evil corporations are to blame for everything, so it makes it super easy to sue and get big settlements from insurance companies. Nobody ever thinks there could be consequences that would impact them. And people don't understand the cumulative impact of high taxes. They see their big tax bill and think that it ends there. But every person, small business, and large company is also paying those tax bills so they have to charge more to pay their taxes so everything costs more indirectly due to taxes. My way to solve this problem was to move out of California.
The lawyers are definitely part of it. Seems like every other TV commercial is for some lawyer saying they will get you the huge settlement for your loss (usually car accident, because those are the vast majority of individual losses), especially if an Evil Big Truck is involved. Car insurance has gone up as loss payments have, naturally, but insurance companies do have the general business requirement of constantly increasing profit too.

As for taxes, California is a mixed bag. High state income tax, and because of the cost of living wages are relatively high, which pushes people into higher federal tax brackets too; there are many places in coastal California where $100K/yr is below median income. The state gas tax is high, but there are reasons, and since the system was revised a few years back to more or less unify the gas tax (state sales tax and gas tax and a few odds n ends are now rolled into a single amount, though there are still some local sales taxes added) and adjust it for inflation the amount collected has become actually useful for maintaining roads (which are in fact a little easier on car suspensions and tires now than, say, 5 years ago). California has one of the higher (but not the highest) annual surcharges on EV registration and licensing, but it only applies to 2020 and newer models (so those of us with Olde Boltes don't have to pay it). Property tax rates are low thanks to Prop 13, but amounts are middling-high because of the property value unless you've lived in the house for decades; California refugees who are seduced into buying way more house than they need because they have all that money from the California sale (even after capital gain taxes) are often surprised at how high and variable their property taxes are in another state).

Of course, everything does cost more in California (except the fruit and veggies in winter; Mexico is of course right next door), especially the electricity if you're not in one of the smallish areas (City of LA? Imperial Irrigation District?) that has a municipal utility. Water is constantly being fought over, and can swing from flood to extreme drought and back in barely more than a year; water is still the smallest part of my city utility bill, though - sewer service is the biggest, and fastest-increasing, chunk, because of constantly-increasing (not just state-level) water quality requirements that make the regional treatment plant a permanent (re)construction site.
 
I also blame CarFax... and the consumer. Ever since CarFax put the idea into the heads of the masses that a vehicle that has been in an accident is something to avoid like the plague, people have not wanted to get their cars repaired. They just want to get rid of them. Insurance companies are acting the same way. Back in the day, if a car was worth $20k and it had $15k worth of damage, it would get repaired. Nowadays, a $20k car might be totaled if it has $5k worth of damage. This is extremely wasteful and is ultimately bad for the car owner.
 
Back in the day, if a car was worth $20k and it had $15k worth of damage, it would get repaired.
About 20 years ago I had a Jetta that got sideswiped by a bronco. Airbags popped and passenger side was crushed. Luckily, no passenger at the time. Car was worth about $3,000 and the insurance company was considering having it repaired but luckily the estimate came in at over $3,000.
They offered a few hundred bucks for pain and suffering because the airbag cover smacked my thumb and it swelled up. Did I run to a lawyer and sue for $20k? No, I took their offer, which I considered fair.
 
any discussion of car insurance needs to had with the caveat that the rates vary wildly.

my CA homeowners insurance is mostly flat.
my CA car insurance is up, or flat, depending on which policy. AAA is up about 10%, my Hagerty is flat.

I've had AAA forever and their rates (for me) have always been reasonable enough to where I don't bother shopping around. every 3-4 years I shop around and I end up wasting my time.

unless you live in my house with my income/driving history/credit risk/etc then the rates are hard to compare.
 
Almost a 20% increase this year—definitely feeling the pinch. I’m actively looking for alternatives now to see if I can get a better deal. I’ve been checking out Root Insurance phone number and might give them a call tomorrow to learn more about their policies and rates. Has anyone here had experience with Root Insurance? I’d love to hear how their customer service is and if they actually deliver on their promises before I make any decisions. Any tips or recommendations for other good insurers are welcome too
 
I’m not in California, but this year my boat, motorcycle, and homeowner’s policy premiums all went DOWN. And that was across two different insurance companies. I was shocked.
 
Ok, haven't seen a good explanation... so here goes from a former auto and home insurance underwriter.

Rates are based on the expected cost of claims. In part, it is historical data, with adjustments for rising costs. Some of this is influenced by theft rates, accident rates, or fire risks in the area you live. But it is all based on loss experience trends over time.

So, we have all heard stories about how auto parts are in short supply in many cases. There is a thread going on this forum about long lead times for replacement battery packs for example. When parts are damaged in a collision, the insurer has to take into account how long it will take for repairs. Part of it is the cost of providing a loaner for an extended period, and part is pressure from state regulators to have short average claims closing times. The traditional formula was if repairs were more than 50-60% of the actual resale value, the car was totaled, enabling claims to be closed quicker. This actually benefits consumers as well, because we all know, major repairs always seem to leave things not quite right. Now, the formula seems to be lower, like 40%. So, this drives up the cost of average claims.

Insurance actuaries keep statistics on the severity of claims (ie the cost to settle), and frequency of claims. These are categorized into types of losses, and refined by things like previous driving record, location, age/experience, and other things. Is it entirely fair? Probably not, but it is as fair as possible, and highly regulated to ensure it isn't blatantly unfair, aka discriminatory.

So, if there are a lot of fires in your community, the fire risk is higher, and the cost of repairs is even higher when these are widespread events like last year in the LA area. This means the expectation of future fires is greater, and the severity is as well. So, insurance reflects this in higher rates. Same with vehicle thefts or motor vehicle collisions, if they are more severe or frequent in the are you live, it has to be reflected in the rates. Now some will argue things like fire mitigation or safe driving records reducing chances of this happening to them, but we all know how crazy it can be driving on crowded streets and highways. And there is nothing one can do when the Santa Anas blow fires into densely populated areas.

All of this eventually leads to arguments about rate discrimination. But let me say, if I lived in Ridgecrest, CA (population under 30,000), I wouldn't feel it was fair to pay more for my insurance because of the cost of providing insurance in Compton, or Pacific Palisades. For one, the fire risk is minimal, theft rates are probably quite low, and with a small population, traffic is probably minimal and accidents fairly rare.

At the same time, the costs of homes and cars is rising rapidly, adding to the severity component.

And then, there is a huge roadblock regulators put in front of insurance companies several years ago when they were prohibited from considering speculative risk considerations like the lack of fire mitigation practices and climate change making future fire losses not only more likely, but more costly and widespread. Some of what you may be seeing this year is digging out of the deficits from past years.

In its simplest form, insurance is a financial risk pooling mechanism. The pool has to have contributions (premiums) that equal or exceed the expected losses across wide area. The California insurance pool is huge, and yet does recognize that the risk and severity of losses in low cost, low density areas may be much lower than in high density, high severity areas. Insurers rarely get approval to set rates high enough to profit off the premiums alone, but they do invest the money and make returns from real estate and stock investments to keep the companies afloat. Even that is considered. I have seen rate approvals with expected losses of a few % higher than projected premiums when investment return expectations were higher.

All this to say, in a state with increasing numbers of cars and homes destroyed in seemingly more frequent and severe firestorms, and with high theft and accident frequency, it should come as no surprise rates are going up every year.

But, it is always wise to shop around, From year to year, this may save a little, but in the long run, finding an insurance company that manages their risks well and maintains competitive rates is the best strategy. You may pay a bit more one year, a bit less the next than with other companies, but loyalty goes a long way in giving you the benefit of the doubt should it come to that. I have seen, even recommended to the CEO of the company I worked for to give the benefit of the doubt in certain situations based on loyalty.
 
The insurance industry has been reporting record profits in recent years. They raise rates in anticipation of higher repair costs but until that starts impacting expenses, only one thing would result - record profits. When insurance overcharge, they should be issuing rebates to the insured. ;)

BTW, see if there are co-op type insurers you may be eligible for... (like bank vs credit union)... not sure if those are out there.
 
The insurance industry has been reporting record profits in recent years. They raise rates in anticipation of higher repair costs but until that starts impacting expenses, only one thing would result - record profits. When insurance overcharge, they should be issuing rebates to the insured. ;)
From the US department of Treasury report on Insurance industry:
For the P&C sector, a rebound in capital markets generated record investment income and a near doubling in net earnings led to a return on average equity of 8.42, the highest since 2015. P&C policyholder surplus grew by over six percent (after a near seven percent year-over-year decline in 2022), due in large part to the improvement in profitability. Finally, increased complexity and
greater illiquidity in the investment portfolios of both sectors continued in 2023 even in the presence of higher interest rates.
Think about that, an 8.42% ROI to investors in a year when net earnings doubled, and highest since 2015. That is a pretty modest ROI, but this was based on 2023 results. 2024 had some huge losses, probably turned things around considerably.

So what is a healthy ROI? In the Tech industry, 15-25% is the benchmark. For Financial Services, 10-20%. So the 8.42% the US insurance industry experienced in 2023 is hardly taking the money and running. You say record profits, where is that coming from? A single company or two? Health insurance? 8.42% average ROI means some were higher, some were lower. But you have to focus on Property and Casualty, which had very different financials than life, health or annuities.

Insurers have to make some profits, else they wouldn't be able to attract investors. Their first obligation is to have enough money in reserves (called policyholder surplus) to pay for losses if and when they occur. Sometimes, losses are lower one year, and higher the next. So you can't look at single years and make sound conclusions.

Notice the line about surplus. It grew 6% in 2023, but shrank by 7% in 2022. Surplus is money that is held in reserve to pay for unexpected losses over time. It typically shrinks and grows from year to year based on a variety of factors, but without reserves, insurers wouldn't have the funds to pay all their claims. Think of surplus as a buffer to iron out the ebb and flow of profits and losses.
 
Its that time of year to renew my car insurance. Last year it went up a few hundred (like everything else). This year it went up another couple hundred. So what do I do? Get quotes from other insurance companies. For the 2 cars I have registered in CA, they are asking anywhere from $4000-6000 a year, which is just insane. Currently I am paying around $3000 which is still too much. I used to be paying around $2000 for both cars. I figured it was because of my $60k sports car but it turns out its cause of the Bolt. Sports car on its own, most quotes come back at $1500 a year. The Bolt by itself....... $3300!

Have any of you out here in CA noticed the same thing? What about in other states? This seriously is making me consider going back to an ICE vehicle for my daily because even for paying for gas, it would be cheaper. I had plans on keeping the Bolt until it died but now I have some thinking to do.
Yes, I just had an estimate from AAA. (Calif) which was about $2150. Tried a few others and they were about the same. Costco Connect however was appreciably lower, not as good a coverage tho.
 
Its that time of year to renew my car insurance. Last year it went up a few hundred (like everything else). This year it went up another couple hundred. So what do I do? Get quotes from other insurance companies. For the 2 cars I have registered in CA, they are asking anywhere from $4000-6000 a year, which is just insane. Currently I am paying around $3000 which is still too much. I used to be paying around $2000 for both cars. I figured it was because of my $60k sports car but it turns out its cause of the Bolt. Sports car on its own, most quotes come back at $1500 a year. The Bolt by itself....... $3300!

Have any of you out here in CA noticed the same thing? What about in other states? This seriously is making me consider going back to an ICE vehicle for my daily because even for paying for gas, it would be cheaper. I had plans on keeping the Bolt until it died but now I have some thinking to do.
Yes, I had a $3K estimate from AAA on my Bolt. Costco Connect was less than 50% of that
 
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