[p7wang]

To get the thread back about using superchargers ...

NACS to CCS1 Adapter

Yes, I realize that threads are soooo "last year", but I am interested in updates from people that are using NACS to CCS1
Yes, I realize that threads are soooo "last year", but I am interested in updates from people that are using NACS to CCS1 adapter(s), in 2025.

Oh, using the plugshare 'trick' of setting network to "Tesla Supercharger" and connector to "CCS", there are only 5 of the Tesla 'MagicDock' chargers in Calif in early 2025 {3 near-ish to Sacramento, one near Santa Cruz, one near Torrence/Long Beach {L.A.} There is also ONE in Phoenix. It seems that since so many US EV manufacturers either have or are about to switch to NACS, that the 'Magic' has stopped being rolled out. . And ChargePoint has rolled out combo NASC/CCS fast chargers (basically replacing the "CCS/CHAdeMO" fast chargers). They have 200 kW and 350 kW NASC/CCS fast chargers now.

I think what happened was that Tesla tried the Magic Dock adapters in an attempt to qualify for fed grants but saw the futility in having to build and maintain the adapters... so then released the Tesla standard to become J-3400 while also opening many Tesla SuC to non-Tesla vehicles.

 

[Bolt2019]

@SparkE
I had replied to this in the thread you made but I see it's over here now but my reply seemed to have got lost. It can stay lost now.

In the Tesla app, select your vehicle make, model, year. There should then be a choice for having the nacs adapter or not. If you don't tell it you have the adapter you will see MagicDock (I think). If you tell it you do then you'll see all the SuC's that accept the adapter (not all do).

1. gm (looks a lot like the Lectron)
2. dealer, $310 CDN
3. Spark is not on the list in the Tesla app and it doesn't do fast charging anyway. So no.
edit: correction
4. the forum brand
5. worked fine the one time I used it immediately after buying it.
6. I seem to gather that prices can vary. I paid $0.50 / kwh CDN the one time I used

 

[Tim]

No surprise there. Just check plugshare like other EV travelers.

Thanks. Plugshare didn't show that last year.

 

[JerryP]

Thanks. Plugshare didn't show that last year.

That's a surprise. Isn't that their flagship station? It opened in November of '23, so it might not have been on PS yet depending on precisely when in "last year" you were asking about.

 

[Tim]

That's a surprise. Isn't that their flagship station? It opened in November of '23, so it might not have been on PS yet depending on precisely when in "last year" you were asking about.

Yeah, I think that's their headquarters. I looked just before Thanksgiving last year.

 

[JerryP]

Yeah, I think that's their headquarters. I looked just before Thanksgiving last year.

Plugshare can be strange. Sometimes chargers show up right away and sometimes not. It depends on if anyone sees it and makes the effort to report it. But that one was a big deal. Youtubers were all over its opening.

 

[humb25]

You don't need a parachute to go skydiving ...
you need a parachute to go skydiving twice.

I know this is off topic, but I don't get it. What happens on the first skydive?

 

[MrHockey172000]

At some point Tesla is going to have a hard time giving cars away.

Tesla Already Dropping Prices on Model 3 & Cybertruck in 2025 - CleanTechnica Tesla Already Dropping Prices on Model 3 & Cybertruck in 2025 - CleanTechnica

IMO, the Cyber Truck wins the prize as the ugliest EV

 

[TakeFive]

I know this is off topic, but I don't get it. What happens on the first skydive?

Try skydiving without a parachute, then let us know how it went for you.

 

[rudiger]

@SparkE
I had replied to this in the thread you made but I see it's over here now but my reply seemed to have got lost. It can stay lost now.

In the Tesla app, select your vehicle make, model, year. There should then be a choice for having the nacs adapter or not. If you don't tell it you have the adapter you will see MagicDock (I think). If you tell it you do then you'll see all the SuC's that accept the adapter (not all do).

1. gm (looks a lot like the Lectron)
2. dealer, $310 CDN
3. Spark is not on the list in the Tesla app and it doesn't do fast charging anyway. So no.
4. the forum brand
5. worked fine the one time I used it immediately after buying it.
6. I seem to gather that prices can vary. I paid $0.50 / kwh CDN the one time I used

I'm not sure if this is accurate. It looks like, just like nearly all 1st gen Bolts, DCFC was a $750 option on the Spark EV.

So I'm going to guess that more than a few will have the CCS port (although they probably still won't work on a SuC).

 

[JerryP]

I know this is off topic, but I don't get it. What happens on the first skydive?

I think the sky diver term is, "you bounce." Once you bounce, it's highly unlikely that you'll skydive (or do anything else) again.

 

[Corvus]

I know this is off topic, but I don't get it. What happens on the first skydive?

It ends in a sudden stop rendering you unable to have a second one.

 

[Bolt2019]

I'm not sure if this is accurate. It looks like, just like nearly all 1st gen Bolts, DCFC was a $750 option on the Spark EV.

So I'm going to guess that more than a few will have the CCS port (although they probably still won't work on a SuC).

I stand corrected. I found a source that stated not supported. Wikipedia and another place says it was optional. I wonder how many sold with the option?
I had tried finding the Spark EV in the Tesla app and no Spark EV was listed.

 

[evtinker]

I stand corrected. I found a source that stated not supported. Wikipedia and another place says it was optional. I wonder how many sold with the option?
I had tried finding the Spark EV in the Tesla app and no Spark EV was listed.

GM Authority has an article stating GM has confirmed the Spark EV cannot be charged at a SuperCharger station: https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/09/chevy-spark-ev-not-compatible-with-tesla-superchargers/

 

[rudiger]

GM Authority has an article stating GM has confirmed the Spark EV cannot be charged at a SuperCharger station: https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/09/chevy-spark-ev-not-compatible-with-tesla-superchargers/

That sucks. While I certainly understand Tesla's reluctance to go to the trouble of making an EV that was last produced in low numbers nearly a decade ago compatible with their SuperCharger network, these early, low-range EVs (like the 82-mile Spark EV) are the ones that would benefit SuC access the most.

Of course, with the Spark EV's 50kWh DCFC rate, they'd be charging even longer at a SuC than a Bolt (and more often, too).

 

[ARob]

Of course, with the Spark EV's 50kWh DCFC rate, they'd be charging even longer at a SuC than a Bolt (and more often, too).

The smaller battery means the 50kW charging speed on the Spark takes less time than the Bolt. I recall the Spark battery was a bit under 20kWh capacity, so 1/3 the capacity of the Bolt pack.

 

[jrharbort]

these early, low-range EVs (like the 82-mile Spark EV) are the ones that would benefit SuC access the most.

Quite the opposite. Because of its low range, DCFC was more of a novelty for the Spark, not a must-have. The Spark shines as a local commuter. Using it for road trips where you would need DCFC so frequently would be unideal.

 

[jefro]

• what brand are you using?
• where did you buy it, and for how much?
• I also have a Spark EV, does your converter work on a Spark?
• what type of car have you (or a friend) used to charge using the adapter?
• does it generally work?
• How much does the electricity cost?

EVsupply branded
ebay
doubt it
Bolt
worked fine
Supercharger price was I think about 34 cents using the Chevy app to start. Billed via something like general motors power or such. The Tesla app shows 38 cents maybe.
I have started on Tesla and it works as expected. Not sure why the V4 let me use GM and V3 didn't.

 

[rudiger]

Quite the opposite. Because of its low range, DCFC was more of a novelty for the Spark, not a must-have. The Spark shines as a local commuter. Using it for road trips where you would need DCFC so frequently would be unideal.

Understood. Taking a Spark EV on a road-trip, even one DCFC-equipped, would definitely induce range-anxiety. It would be a bold undertaking, to say the least.

OTOH, there is 'one' situation where DCFC on a Spark EV might come in handy, and that's a distance purchase. They were only sold new on the West Coast (a strictly compliance vehicle) so a Spark EV that shows up somewhere in the rest of the continental US has, at some point, been transfered there.

So, if it was still on the West Coast and sold to someone out-of-state, they'd be stopping every <50 miles or so at an available, operational DCFC station (and that's in ideal conditions, too). But I suppose if the buyer had the time for it, it might be more cost-effective than having it shipped. I can't imagine many people doing it that way, but it's theoretically possible.

It's what I think of whenever I see a Spark EV today, like when I used to routinely see one charging at an Orlando shopping center.

 

[ARob]

So, if it was still on the West Coast and sold to someone out-of-state, they'd be stopping every <50 miles or so at an available, operational DCFC station (and that's in ideal conditions, too). But I suppose if the buyer had the time for it, it might be more cost-effective than having it shipped. I can't imagine many people doing it that way, but it's theoretically possible.

A friend of mine did just this... Drove from SoCal to CO Springs in ~2018. He had to rely on L1 several times, L2 when possible, and an occasional DCFC session. I recall it was a 5 day journey.