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I guess we don't appreciate why GM is dropping AA/CP because the Bolt Infotainment is relatively good... as opposed to VW.
In that vein, isn't every other in-car infotainment better than VW? Then, won't those non-VW infotainment vehicles that still provide CarPlay or Android Auto still be better than GM? lol
 
In that vein, isn't every other in-car infotainment better than VW?
The infotainment system in my Taos is just fine. When it works. There's a occasional random bug that causes the radio software to not load, which can be resolved by pressing the power button for 10 seconds to reboot it. But as far as its overall functionality and CarPlay implementation, it's easily as good as my Bolt was. Even better, since I've never had a CarPlay disconnect (wired or wireless) with the VW. It happened often in my EUV. It always reconnected itself, but if I was using my phone for nav it was not displayed for 20 seconds or so.
 
My concern is that GM is going to turn everything into yet another subscription service, so we'll have to pay for services that used to be complimentary from our phones. Knowing GM, that's exactly what they are going to do.
TESLA already did:
"Tesla Adds Subscription Fees for Navigation, Connectivity" (from Kelly Bluebook site)
This is really a nonstarter for me. I don't need a duplicate navigation system, as my phone works fine. If car makers start forcing us to pay for something we already have, then I'll always opt for the base models and use a phone mount for my phone when needed. I assume they will also start blocking any BT connection to force you to pay if you want any connection to your phone. That's okay with me. I'm not paying a monthly fee to listen to music or talk while I drive. It's not that important to me.
 
TESLA already did:
"Tesla Adds Subscription Fees for Navigation, Connectivity" (from Kelly Bluebook site)
This is really a nonstarter for me. I don't need a duplicate navigation system, as my phone works fine. If car makers start forcing us to pay for something we already have, then I'll always opt for the base models and use a phone mount for my phone when needed. I assume they will also start blocking any BT connection to force you to pay if you want any connection to your phone. That's okay with me. I'm not paying a monthly fee to listen to music or talk while I drive. It's not that important to me.
I can't see the Federal Government going along with an automaker removing or charging, after providing it for free, for the BT connection for handsfree operation of your cell phone.
 
TESLA already did:
"Tesla Adds Subscription Fees for Navigation, Connectivity" (from Kelly Bluebook site)
This is really a nonstarter for me. I don't need a duplicate navigation system, as my phone works fine. If car makers start forcing us to pay for something we already have, then I'll always opt for the base models and use a phone mount for my phone when needed. I assume they will also start blocking any BT connection to force you to pay if you want any connection to your phone. That's okay with me. I'm not paying a monthly fee to listen to music or talk while I drive. It's not that important to me.
The connectivity they mention is not the Bluetooth functionality. It's the cellular connection that provides the car with it's ability to watch streaming media on the main display. I can't see any manufacturer making Bluetooth connectivity a paid subscription option.
 
Toyota?

That's not Bluetooth. But I can certainly see a slippery slope as they try to get away with more and more fees. I absolutely feel that anything that doesn't use any sort of connected service (such as the key fob connecting directly to the car) should never be a pay to use. BMW tried it with CarPlay, and that bombed really fast.
 
Not a smart move, they need to offer choices, eg this new system the default but the option to use CarPlay or Android…
They should give you a choice to use their system, AA, or ACP. Personally, if it's coded well and looks nice without fees I'd try it. This system is kind of slow and I am getting glitches. If the removal of these services makes things more snappy and less buggy, I'm for it. It's just too bad they won't give the option to people who have older vehicles like the Bolt.
 
My concern is that GM is going to turn everything into yet another subscription service, so we'll have to pay for services that used to be complimentary from our phones. Knowing GM, that's exactly what they are going to do.
Umm, your phone is a subscription service. Use it as a hotspot and don’t pay anything to GM. Or if you do not have a phone, thankfully the new GM system still works. With AA and ACP you pay for something that essentially does nothing - unless you have a phone. Everyone bought into that racket and now they are afraid to move away from it.
 
So, basically they're forcing future EV owners to use their software and apps. The same people who gave us the My Chevy app. Yeah, that'll go well.
Did Google give us the My Chevy app? I wasn’t aware if that…
You missed the simple fact that Google also gave us AA, which for some reason you want and praise. So why do you think this new Google system is an instant failure?
 
This is stupid. Just as stupid as built-in navigation. We (users) tend to get new phones every 2-3 years, and therefore the user experience will continue to get better and have more functionality with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. Someone with a 10-year-old Blazer EV is going to have a 10-year-old infotainment system. Thanks. I wouldn't want to go back to the system my 2012 Subaru had in it... oh, wait, that was too old to even have what would be called an infotainment system today. It's either time to think of other brands, or time to look at options for iPad mounts.
In what way? Other than a better screen, better cameras and more memory, my iPhones have had absolutely no improvements that would have any difference in ACP. Software enhancements can be done directly with the vehicle. There is no advantage lost. Having all the same apps available but running directly on the vehicle is a plus - it means I do not need to rely on having a phone. My phone will not be bogged down with apps that I only use in my vehicle - because those apps will be on the vehicle instead! Bonus! Now I don’t need to constantly upload videos and photos to clear my phone’s memory!
 
Umm, your phone is a subscription service.
Yes, but it's something you most likely want/need that has nothing to do with your car. You have your phone service regardless of the features the car has. Having CarPlay or AA available is a no cost feature that simply works. Did the car manufacturer charge you extra for CP/AA within the price of the car? Most likely yes, but it's simply part of the price for the entire infotainment system, and overall was likely only a few dollars.
Other than a better screen, better cameras and more memory, my iPhones have had absolutely no improvements that would have any difference in ACP. Software enhancements can be done directly with the vehicle. There is no advantage lost.
You are assuming the system in the car (Android Automotive) will always receive updates at no cost to you. And even if the software continues to improve, there's no improvements to the hardware that will ever happen without a cost. Since most people (not everyone, but the majority) replace their phones every few years they are constantly getting hardware upgrades which directly impacts the performance available via the car mirroring. Nope, I don't want to be tied to a system in the car that isn't going to get updated. Look at how many cars had 2G/3G modems for some of their features. With the cellular 2G/3G network shut down, those features in those cars were lost, with no way of them being restored.
 
In what way? Other than a better screen, better cameras and more memory, my iPhones have had absolutely no improvements that would have any difference in ACP. Software enhancements can be done directly with the vehicle. There is no advantage lost. Having all the same apps available but running directly on the vehicle is a plus - it means I do not need to rely on having a phone. My phone will not be bogged down with apps that I only use in my vehicle - because those apps will be on the vehicle instead! Bonus! Now I don’t need to constantly upload videos and photos to clear my phone’s memory!
The maps are updating constantly in the background. The maps have access to user shared info about traffic and road conditions. New functions are added all the time, such as offline maps for use in areas with little or no cell reception (like I am using now in the Shenandoah mountains). There are other apps I can use on the screen that GM is unlikely or unable to implement, such as Uber, ABRP, OBDII data, etc. integration of the music player that I already use on my phone is better.

And if you think GM is going to be pushing out free updates all the time, just remember that our Bolts have the ability to receive OTA updates for the infotainment system and they have never used it. The only real change they made was to remove the app that used to let you watch videos on the car’s screen while you were stopped. Thanks GM! Kind of like the TV I bought a couple of years ago that was Apple AirPlay compatible. Yes, it sure was… until they pushed an update onto it that removed AirPlay and replaced it with a system where you had to BUY a proprietary app for your phone to stream content to the TV.
 
Android 14 just had an update to UI 6.1 a few days ago and so far Android Auto is working so much better in my 2022 Bolt EUV. Previously AA was partially freezing up about 75% of startups and I had to stop, shut off, open door, and restart to get it working way too often. Hopefully the update has fixed this.
 
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