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LT - Premier Differences

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#1 ·
My lease on our 2017 Premier is up in October. Residual is $25,000. On Autotrader, new LTs are listed at within $2,000 of that residual. I searched the Chevrolet website and this forum and could not find any definitive listing of the differences. I apologize if I overlooked a thread on this topic. Any list of differences or a reference pointing to a source for that information would be appreciated.

Ron
 
#5 ·
You lose the leather seats, the rear seat heating, birds eye view camera, rear view mirror camera, wireless charging. I think that everything else you can get in an LT. I would just figure that you can save about $2400 versus a premier if you load everything onto the LT, but you can save more if your willing to give up the convenience package and the two driver assist packages which are all about $500.
 
#9 ·
Birds-eye view is kind of a deal-breaker for me. Can't get that on a Tesla. I'm not sure I'm giving up much by just buying out the lease for $25K. My use-case doesn't require the extra range.

Thanks all for the info.
 
#10 ·
The majority of LT's I've looked at all came with three options on them: DCFC, Driver Confidence (1?), and Comfort & Convenience. This seems to be a fairly standard way the dealers are ordering them. And I thought people were picking these up for $25,000-$26,000 range (or was that B.S.?)

What about the "Infotainment" package? I see that added on the Premiers, but can you get that added on an LT? Haven't seen that one yet ...

To the OP ... what happens if GM reduces or even drops that $8500 rebate on the Bolts? Would it make sense to buy the new Bolt before the current lease runs out?
 
#11 ·
The majority of LT's I've looked at all came with three options on them: DCFC, Driver Confidence (1?), and Comfort & Convenience. This seems to be a fairly standard way the dealers are ordering them. And I thought people were picking these up for $25,000-$26,000 range (or was that B.S.?)

What about the "Infotainment" package? I see that added on the Premiers, but can you get that added on an LT? Haven't seen that one yet ...

To the OP ... what happens if GM reduces or even drops that $8500 rebate on the Bolts? Would it make sense to buy the new Bolt before the current lease runs out?
Assuming they do the three months early, I'll need to make my decision in June. Probably won't jump before that.

Ron
 
#12 ·
There are other small things that will be missing.
Like cup holders in the back (was it in the middle arm rest?) Or the armrest itself I think, if there are no cup holders in it.
I believe there is also USB charger in the back.
Rear heated seats are NOT available in any option on LT.
Rear camera washer. Sometimes helpful seeing how dirty it gets on my LT in rain.
Turn signals in mirrors. Another Premier-only thing.

Wheels (same size, but different pattern/colour).
Different car colours.
The LED in the dash.

Not sure what else...
 
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#21 · (Edited)
It doesn't look like it. There are only (5) packages for the LT, none with the "Bird's Eye" view in them, and then when you try to add it as an individual option, it shows it not available on the LT.

Go to Chevrolet.com, click on "Shopping Tools" drop-down menu at top of screen, select "Build and Price", scroll down to click on "Bolt EV", then scroll down and click on "Compare Trims", then click on the (+) over on the right to "Add Trim To Compare" .. and select "LT" checkbox then click "Compare" button at the bottom, scroll down to click on the (+) again to expand the "Safety" section, you'll see that the "Bird's Eye" camera (a.k.a "HD Surround Vision") is not available on the LT.

NOTE: you can click on the (i) button at the far right of any feature for the text description of it...

UPDATE: I'll also answer my previous question about the "Infotainment Package" in post #10 above: it's only available on the Premier (BOSE 7-speaker, wireless charging, 2 USB charging-only ports in the rear), however ... to make things even more confusing ... the "Compare Trims" lists the "Infotainment System" as standard on both trims (i.e. the 10.2" color touch-screen)

Here are the differences from "Compare Trims" (2020 Models):

NOTE: this is the stuff that's "not available" (or just different between trims) ... anything else ... like DCFC ... can be added as an option on the Monroney sticker (as long as it's not in this list):

1.) LT 17" wheels are painted (Premier's are machined aluminum)
2.) LT does not have mirror turn signal indicators
3.) LT does not have chrome strip on body color door handles
4.) LT does not have roof mounted side rails
5.) LT does not have leather seats
6.) LT does not have front passenger seat map pocket (documentation alleges)
7.) LT does not have rear heated seats
8.) LT does not have BOSE 7-speaker stereo (see "Info Pkg" above)
9.) LT does not have ambient Instrument Panel lighting
10.) LT does not have Rear Camera Mirror (only std Rear View Mirror)
11.) LT does not have Rear Center Armrest
12.) LT does not have Wireless Device Charging (see "Info Pkg" above)
13.) LT does not have Rear USB Charging-Only ports (see "Info Pkg" above)
14.) LT does not have HD Surround Vision (Bird's Eye)
 
#30 ·
There are some nice features in the Premium but in the end I chose LT because I didn’t want anymore leather seats ! So I ended up with P1, heated driving weal And of course DCFC. The Lane assist and all in the P2 wasn’t something I used even when I had them in my full loaded Volt I had previousl.
 
#31 ·
A month ago I paid $31698.65 on an LT with all the options except that it doesn't have premium paint. That price includes $500 because they had to use one of their premiers as trade to get the car I wanted from 250 miles away, over Snoqualmie pass, trailered. Sales tax was $1209 (I had to pay sales tax on the MSRP but I got a $25000 deduction because it's an EV with an MSRP less than $45000, or something like that). License and excise tax: $275. So $29714.65. That's the price they asked. I didn't dicker so I'm sure other people could do much better. I'm in central Washington State.
 
#35 ·
At least as of 2003, the last time I did it, I could buy a car in Oregon and park it in my driveway without paying any sales, excise tax or license. So the OTD price figured that way is less if I bought it out of state, but an issue arises all too soon.
 
#36 · (Edited)
OK, forget about the term "Out-The-Door", then. People interpret that differently (apparently). BTW: "Out-The-Door" price, to me, has always been the price I paid to get the vehicle Out-The-Door of the dealership ... and that may not have included taxes, title, tags, etc. .. depending on where I made the purchase (ie: I bought two new vehicles out-of-state with not taxes, title, or tag payments made).

But anyway ... we've all heard the phrase, "Compare Apples To Apples", right?

The only Apples-to-Apples comparison here is for the vehicle itself.

Forget about the (4) T's: Taxes, Tags, Title, and Trade-In. They really have nothing to do with your new car purchase anyway.

But we do need some context for the Apples, I agree.

The context should be:

1.) Your General Location (Northeast, Southeast, etc.)
2.) The Model Year
3.) The Trim Level
4.) The Packages/Options Added
5.) The MSRP
6.) The Rebate(s) applied
7.) The Dealer Discount applied (also as % of MSRP)
8.) Misc Discount applied (but NOT trade-in)
9.) Dealer Fee(s) added back in (+)
10.) The Total Price Paid for the vehicle (American or Canadian)

... might also want to include the Date-of-Purchase (if it differs from the post timeframe too much).

Example:

1.) Location: Southeast
2.) Model Year: 2020
3.) Trim Level: LT
4.) Packages/Options: DCFC, Driver Confidence, Comfort & Convenience
5.) MSRP: $39,295
6.) Rebate(s): -$8500
7.) Dealer Discount: -$1769 (4.5%)
8.) Misc Discount(s): -$500 (VIP Visit)
9.) Dealer Fee(s): +$200
10.) Total Price Paid: $28,726 (American)

Now, you might've paid less than $28,726 because you included a trade-in ... OR you might've paid more because you wrote a check for taxes, tag, and title fees ... but none of these extra debits or credits have anything to do with what you paid for the vehicle itself ... and including them just ends up "muddying the waters". We don't even need to know about any Federal or State credits you may have gotten because ... again ... these have nothing to do with what you paid for the vehicle itself.
 
#38 ·
But anyway ... we've all heard the phrase, "Compare Apples To Apples", right?



The context should be:


9.) The Total Price Paid for the vehicle

Example:


9.) $28,526
So this price is with TAX? Delivery inspection or any surcharges added by the dealer? Doc fee?

You see, it is hard to figure out the amount as it may contain discounts before and after tax - as said above.

When I am looking on mine - they even altered the sale price. They do not relate to MSRP.

Date: 02-JAN-2020
1.) 48823, but purchase from 33713
2.) 2019
3.) LT
4.) Comfort and Convenience, Driver Confidence I+II Package, LPO, Interior Protection Package, DCFC
5.) 40'000
6.) Will include 7 and 8 as there is no way for me to tell what is what.16'671.02
7.) see 6
8.) see 6
9.) The Total Price Paid for the vehicle (OTD, that is all - 26'500, wihtout TAX, reg, and other add ons: 23'328.98)

Other add ons - they charged some 799+189 for delivery inspection and other crap. I did not care as I wanted to have OTD price at my limit.

Also, 500 in the OTD was for shipping, so one could say I paid 26'000. If you look even deeper - I could subtract Costco program, which is another 800 making final price for the car 25'200.

So there you have it. So complicated that I am not even sure what is what.



And I would even one more thing - date of the purchase. I pushed the deal to the limit... as for the wait time.
 
#37 ·
That's almost the same as my deal. I got the Driver Confidence 2 package and had to pay for the fetch. I said I was sure other's could do better but what I should have said is that I wouldn't be surprised if others could do better, but the fact is these cars are not that easy to get in a lot of places, including here. Most dealers can't sell them and the dealers that can probably have only one tech. The dealer I bought from is by far the largest dealer around so they might be able to service it. Some markets are just more competitive than others for these.
 
#41 ·
OK, let me see.
40000-16671=23329
Tax is 1789, reg 394, and the charges (for which I normally would fight, but here I did not give a thought) 799+189. Total 26500.
That is what I paid to the dealer to have a registered car shipped to my home.

If one was to think of the shipping charge as my unique case, let them subtract 500.
Then, since I registered with Costco advantage car purchase (I think I made this name up - but it is somehow similar), I got from them 800 as a Costco cash (after the delivery).
Hence, now I could make it 25200 (if I was to pick the car up myself).

I hope you see it now.

That is why I am a bit skeptical when comparing purchase prices... as there are so many factors that are hard to explain or include.
When I am looking on my bill of sale - the rebates are all over the place. Some are called discounts, some other are rebates, and one is even called "customer cash", although the only "cash" I gave them was a 1000 deposit (which is also there). On the top of that - the starting sale price is already lower than MSRP by a few grands.
 
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#47 · (Edited)
Don't know about pre-2020 models.

I just did a complete "Hocus-Focus" on two Bolt Monroney (Window) Stickers side-by-side online (Premier vs. LT) and the Premier does add the text "with chrome strip" onto the "Body-Color Door Handles" in the "Exterior" section.

Also - I thought I found yet another difference with the "False Cargo Floor" under the "Interior" section, but it turns out it's "Available" on the LT ... so maybe on some units it will appear as an Option on the Monroney sticker (but the vast majority of LTs simply won't have it)?

Lastly - removed the "Deluxe Steering Wheel" line from the list. The Premier comes with the Heated, Leather-Wrapped Wheel, but only "stripped" LTs (no options added) will have the "Deluxe Steering Wheel". Most LTs will have the "Comfort & Convenience Package" which includes the Heated, Leather-Wrapped Wheel.